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post #2176 of 3215
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Because they're pricing the new phone lower and they don't want it to cannibalize the 6s.
It won't make it to the non Pro iPads. It only works when you have the 240 hz refresh rate that only the pro supports from a hardware perspective.

I'm assuming mouse means that it trickles down as new models are released...so any hardware requirements simply need to be built into the next ipad.
post #2177 of 3215
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

I'm assuming mouse means that it trickles down as new models are released...so any hardware requirements simply need to be built into the next ipad.

I should have been more clear -- I don't think it will make it to future, non-Pro iPads. I think it's going to be a pro exclusive so they can up sell people to the more expensive model.

Gotta boost them ASPs brah.
post #2178 of 3215
Pros would still pay extra for the screen real estate and horsepower. They are marketed to artists and IT.

The Air and Mini would be a more natural fit to use the pencil for note taking on the go.
post #2179 of 3215

Still don't think apple will extend the keyboard and pencil to non-Pro models.

post #2180 of 3215
So I got an early upgrade offer from Verizon with $100 off. Thinking of getting the 6s. The catch is that I have to pay upfront and can't do device payment. I am thinking of liquidating my current $100 Apple gift card, getting the phone, and then trading in my 4s for another $100 GC to liquidate. Does anyone know a good way to turn Apple GCs into cash?
post #2181 of 3215
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

So I got an early upgrade offer from Verizon with $100 off. Thinking of getting the 6s. The catch is that I have to pay upfront and can't do device payment. I am thinking of liquidating my current $100 Apple gift card, getting the phone, and then trading in my 4s for another $100 GC to liquidate. Does anyone know a good way to turn Apple GCs into cash?

Almost sounds like they want to get you to upgrade now before the 7 comes out.
post #2182 of 3215
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Still don't think apple will extend the keyboard and pencil to non-Pro models.


I could see them not doing the keyboard. There are more then enough 3rd party alternatives and it would go against the positioning on the market of the Air and Mini. The Pencil on the other hand makes sense for them. It ads another interaction layer to the devices for creativity and will help drive app support for the accessory. Not enough developers will add support for the pencil if it's limited to just the Pro.

I was thinking Apple should really add support for tracking your pencil to iOS devices via bluetooth like the Tile uses. $100 is a lot to spend on it and having the safe of mind that you can open up Find My iPhone and discover where you might have left it would go a long way to making it feel like a safe purchase and not something easily lost. https://www.thetileapp.com/
post #2183 of 3215
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

I could see them not doing the keyboard. There are more then enough 3rd party alternatives and it would go against the positioning on the market of the Air and Mini. The Pencil on the other hand makes sense for them. It ads another interaction layer to the devices for creativity and will help drive app support for the accessory. Not enough developers will add support for the pencil if it's limited to just the Pro.

I was thinking Apple should really add support for tracking your pencil to iOS devices via bluetooth like the Tile uses. $100 is a lot to spend on it and having the safe of mind that you can open up Find My iPhone and discover where you might have left it would go a long way to making it feel like a safe purchase and not something easily lost. https://www.thetileapp.com/

You make good points and I agree that the pencil makes sense for the Air from a consumer standpoint. Not sure about the mini.

But regardless, I just can't tell if they would. Their product lineup is becoming increasingly muddied and they care so much about margins.

To support the pencil with the same hardware used in the pro, their margins absolutely would decline and it would cannibalize the more expensive pro. If anything, apple tries to up sell people and supporting the pencil on the air would push them downstream. Further, I feel like supporting the pencil but not the keyboard would raise questions.

I think it ends up raising more questions around their product strategy for the iPad.

It's all a giant mess.
post #2184 of 3215
I could see the Mini + Pencil with rock solid handwriting recognition software being an amazing note taking device. Easy to hold in one hand and take notes with the other on the go. Most tablet based solutions for this I have tried so far haven't been all that good. That's why I would like to see Apple take a crack at it with the smaller iPads they sell.
post #2185 of 3215
Have you tried using a pro for note taking with a pencil? It's suboptimal because you can't write letters as small as you could with regular pen and paper.

It'd be triply difficult with a mini because the screen is so small.

Makes no sense to me for the mini. Absolutely zero.
post #2186 of 3215
No I have not. Did you try it using an app optimized for writing letters with the Pencil and turning them into type?
post #2187 of 3215
Nope. I only used it to scribe on the stock notes app. It sucked. We have several at work and I use it from time to time to sketch UX wireframes and whatnot and it's useful there.

But I can't see why anyone would want to hand write on a tablet and stylus. It seems like a very narrow use case.
post #2188 of 3215
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Nope. I only used it to scribe on the stock notes app. It sucked. We have several at work and I use it from time to time to sketch UX wireframes and whatnot and it's useful there.

But I can't see why anyone would want to hand write on a tablet and stylus. It seems like a very narrow use case.

I'd argue that it's the most fundamental use case from a content creation side for a tablet. My experience with the Pro is limited to the stores and there it seemed competent enough at letters if you don't smush it down.
post #2189 of 3215
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

I'd argue that it's the most fundamental use case from a content creation side for a tablet. My experience with the Pro is limited to the stores and there it seemed competent enough at letters if you don't smush it down.

Handwriting notes? Why have a keyboard then?

It's pretty clear based on the features they built with the pencil that it was meant for drawing.
post #2190 of 3215
People walk around with notepads and a pen to take notes all the time. The use case here is that this would keep you from having to type them up later and could sync with other software and databases.
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