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post #4561 of 5305
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

In this case, I'd say the player is the idiot for rejecting the offer (or his agent sucks). 

So you want him to accept terms on the deal that no other top 5 pick in the last 5 years has agreed to?

 

The chargers are just trying to see how far they can go and how much they can take before they get push back.

post #4562 of 5305
Okay, so it seems SD has a bit of a reputation when it comes to dealing with rookie contracts. Good to know going forward. Offset language is pretty standard, and should be IMO (I have no rationale for players being able to double-dip on salary if they sign with another team). The bonus deferral thing is not market, but he's still getting the bonus and signing bonuses are, as far as I know, guaranteed. Still seems kind of dumb as a rookie to play this game when you need to be getting in there and getting snaps to actually develop your reputation in the NFL, though.
post #4563 of 5305
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

Offset language is pretty standard, and should be IMO (I have no rationale for players being able to double-dip on salary if they sign with another team). 

It is not standard. Its standard for low draft picks, not top of round 1 picks. This would set a precedent. 

post #4564 of 5305
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

Still seems kind of dumb as a rookie to play this game when you need to be getting in there and getting snaps to actually develop your reputation in the NFL, though.

under this logic teams are just going to keep pushing and giving shittier contract language because they know the players can't hold out because they need to 'get in there and develop their rep'

post #4565 of 5305
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

It is not standard. Its standard for low draft picks, not top of round 1 picks. This would set a precedent. 

From what I've read, Bosa is the only top 10 pick not signed. 2 of the others in the top 10 have no offset language; 7 do. I understand that there are different ways you can structure it, but 7 out of 9 is enough for me to say that it's standard. It is even more common lower in the first round.
post #4566 of 5305
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

under this logic teams are just going to keep pushing and giving shittier contract language because they know the players can't hold out because they need to 'get in there and develop their rep'

So it's an issue for the next CBA. Holding out as a rookie over lawyer disputes is something I think is not smart for an individual.
post #4567 of 5305
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

From what I've read, Bosa is the only top 10 pick not signed. 2 of the others in the top 10 have no offset language; 7 do. I understand that there are different ways you can structure it, but 7 out of 9 is enough for me to say that it's standard. It is even more common lower in the first round.

Of those 7 how many have offset and deferred bonus? How many top 10 picks had offset and deferred bonus payments last year?
post #4568 of 5305
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

Of those 7 how many have offset and deferred bonus? How many top 10 picks had offset and deferred bonus payments last year?

I've agreed that both together is not market practice, but my comment was about whether offset language itself is fairly standard.
post #4569 of 5305
Bosa is being repped by CAA - not some fly by night outfit or new agent trying to make a name.

Chargers are idiots.

There was some talk of comparing Bosa to Bo Jackson, who was drafted by Tampa Bay, didn't sign with them, and then re-entered the draft and fell to round 6.

They forget that Bo Jackson had baseball to fall back on, and an impressive fall back at that. There was no certainty Bo would play football which had more to do with his "fall" than his missing a year.

I think it will ultimately cost Bosa some money, but not all that much. The Chargers are the big loser here.
post #4570 of 5305
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

From what I've read, Bosa is the only top 10 pick not signed. 2 of the others in the top 10 have no offset language; 7 do. I understand that there are different ways you can structure it, but 7 out of 9 is enough for me to say that it's standard. It is even more common lower in the first round.

What are you comparing it to the top ten and not top5? Or top 3? Once again you're comparing him to lower draft picks.

Also, here - https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/news/report-says-rest-of-nfl-laughing-at-chargers-over-bosa-holdout-183157399.html
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

What are you comparing it to the top ten and not top5? Or top 3? Once again you're comparing him to lower draft picks.

Also, here - https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/news/report-says-rest-of-nfl-laughing-at-chargers-over-bosa-holdout-183157399.html

My comment about offset language being standard was a reference to NFL contracts more broadly, not necessarily to a player in Bosa's position. I didn't say that offset language was standard for the third pick in the draft, I said it was standard in general and I stand by that based on everything I've read.

A sample size of three is pretty much worthless (really, two, because Bosa hasn't signed a contract). 32 (or 31) is better, but that includes all first rounders and I agree with your idea that higher up first rounders are a better comparison. Hence, top 10. Not an optimal sample, but it's hard to analyze this perfectly. Outside of the top picks, offset language is pretty much universal from what I've seen. If you want to, we could say that as we approach the top of the draft, the probability of offset language being in a contract goes from near 100% to around 50%, but there's a giant margin of error as we get higher up in the draft and the sample size shrinks. I don't think we have good enough data to determine what is market practice with these contractual provisions for a top 3 pick with any real confidence (we do have good enough data for first rounders and mediocre data for the top 10).

Chargers may well be being mocked by others, but I don't see how Bosa is doing himself any favors here. The best way to get a big contract in the future is to actually show up and play. I understand not wanting to be pushed around as a matter of principle, but losing a year and falling in the draft (who knows, he could get hurt in that year too) if nothing gets worked out is a bad position to be in (plus if he falls in the draft, he'll have less leverage in negotiating these provisions anyway).
post #4572 of 5305
Kapernik putting it all on the line for his principles, leveraging the fact that he's at the pinnacle of career success and popularity.
post #4573 of 5305
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Kapernik putting it all on the line for his principles, leveraging the fact that he's at the pinnacle of career success and popularity.

Lol.
post #4574 of 5305
August 27, 2016


It might be time for Romo to hang it up.
post #4575 of 5305
is this the thread that's starting a fantasy league, if so can I join?
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