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post #3211 of 5193
I am shocked, shocked to find Goodell agrees with himself.
post #3212 of 5193
I'm sure rational non-Pats fans can agree,,,, this is bullcrap.
post #3213 of 5193
Yeah, I don't think the punishment is wrong per se . .. but in context with other punishments its fucking ludicrous. Maybe he came down harder because Brady is a repeat offender?
post #3214 of 5193
This is not even counting the fact the Pats still lose a 1st rounder and are fined $1 million....


Like you said, fucking ludicrous.
post #3215 of 5193
I'm not sure why there's always such shock and disbelief when sports leagues come down hard on infractions impacting the integrity of the game. Of course beating a woman is worse than deflating some footballs. That's why we have the US Court system. If a major NFL star beats a woman or a child, the league doesn't look great, but it survives no problem without any one player. If someone commits an act that directly impacts the integrity of the league (deflating footballs, spying, betting on games, throwing games, etc.), that's a much bigger issue...for the league. Because if that sort of thing becomes widespread, you run the risk of losing fans in a big way.

Plus, there are all these comparisons with Greg Hardy. The league tried to suspend him 10 games. It was the union who got the suspension reduced.
post #3216 of 5193
"The evidence that could exonerate me? Oh wait, I destroyed it." lol8[1].gif
post #3217 of 5193
The fact that anyone expects some sort of consistency or proportional "justice" among the various PR move--- I mean disciplinary penalties -- handed out by the NFL is cute. Ultimately I'm with ethan -- Brady's an annoying douche, so even if that's the only thing he did wrong four games is cool by me.
post #3218 of 5193
Ed, you have to admit destroying your phone is an interesting twist though.
post #3219 of 5193
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

I am shocked, shocked to find Goodell agrees with himself.

If I remember correctly, Goodell didn't levy the original punishment.

But yea, SUCK IT BRADY!!!
post #3220 of 5193
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post

If I remember correctly, Goodell didn't levy the original punishment.

But yea, SUCK IT BRADY!!!

Right. Goodell outsourced the punishment to one of his VPs, who basically did what Goodell want, so that Goodell could then technically be the arbitrator. Ultimately, when you cut through the procedural crap, this is Goodell agreeing with Goodell.

Whether you like Brady or any of the other guys who are getting punished or not, surely you have to admit that there is something messed up about Goodell getting to hear appeals of his own rulings (or appeals of rulings made by his underlings with his full knowledge and consent).
post #3221 of 5193
Of course it's dumb. But don't only blame goodell. It's also the Union for allowing these procedures in the CBA
post #3222 of 5193
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Originally Posted by dcg View Post

I'm not sure why there's always such shock and disbelief when sports leagues come down hard on infractions impacting the integrity of the game. Of course beating a woman is worse than deflating some footballs. That's why we have the US Court system. If a major NFL star beats a woman or a child, the league doesn't look great, but it survives no problem without any one player. If someone commits an act that directly impacts the integrity of the league (deflating footballs, spying, betting on games, throwing games, etc.), that's a much bigger issue...for the league. Because if that sort of thing becomes widespread, you run the risk of losing fans in a big way.

Plus, there are all these comparisons with Greg Hardy. The league tried to suspend him 10 games. It was the union who got the suspension reduced.

I mostly agree with this (I think the evidence on Deflategate is very shaky but that's probably an agree to disagree thing). I think the issue is that once the league starts trying to regulate off the field conduct, the comparisons are inevitably going to be made. The league has basically done this to themselves. I mean, there may be some formula that says "beating your wife is worthy of an 8 game suspension, but we use some .25 or .50 multiplier since it doesn't directly affect the integrity of the game," but how the hell do you communicate that?
post #3223 of 5193
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Of course it's dumb. But don't only blame goodell. It's also the Union for allowing these procedures in the CBA

No disagreement on that. Union had other priorities so they let this happen. Now we're seeing how stupid it is and it will probably become an issue for the next CBA.
post #3224 of 5193
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

No disagreement on that. Union had other priorities so they let this happen. Now we're seeing how stupid it is and it will probably become an issue for the next CBA.

Maybe it becomes an issue for the next CBA, but don't count on it. Maybe the process employed here came as a surprise to you, but you can bet the house it didn't come as a surprise to the union or its lawyers.
Their other priorities are money, money, and money. Previous episodes of discipline were handled in the same way, some ultimately resulting in substantially reduced suspensions (or no suspension at all). It's not something that was slipped in. Have you ever been involved in CBA negotiations? Every tiny little issue, every word choice, gets worked to death. This is the process because it works for the league and for the Players' Association. Neither side wants to lose control over these issues to true outsiders. They just want enough of an illusion of "process" to provide an overlay for whatever back-channel negotiations lead to the results that are eventually settled upon.biggrin.gif
post #3225 of 5193
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Maybe it becomes an issue for the next CBA, but don't count on it. Maybe the process employed here came as a surprise to you, but you can bet the house it didn't come as a surprise to the union or its lawyers.
Their other priorities are money, money, and money. Previous episodes of discipline were handled in the same way, some ultimately resulting in substantially reduced suspensions (or no suspension at all). It's not something that was slipped in. Have you ever been involved in CBA negotiations? Every tiny little issue, every word choice, gets worked to death. This is the process because it works for the league and for the Players' Association. Neither side wants to lose control over these issues to true outsiders. They just want enough of an illusion of "process" to provide an overlay for whatever back-channel negotiations lead to the results that are eventually settled upon.biggrin.gif

You may well be right. Labor law was never a specialty of mine when I was practicing. I haven't negotiated CBAs but I've definitely been involved in negotiating complex partnership agreements and other documents where every word was scrutinized. My observation is more general and based on the idea that (1) sometimes you put something into an agreement without understanding its full implications and I think the implications of Goodell having this power are more clear now than they were previously (IIRC either this was a new provision in the recent CBA or there had not been as many high profile cases; I recall less controversy when Tagliabue was around) and (2) priorities can shift over time.

I agree that economics probably trump due process in the CBA, but I could see this be a bigger deal next time given some of the issues Goodell seems to be having among some of the fans, players and owners. I also think Goodell has less trust with players and could see a harder line be taken in a couple of places just because Goodell is Goodell. Of course, sometimes things become a "priority" because a new law firm takes over and has a different view and suddenly one is lead to believe that coincidentally all of said firm's clients now think XYZ is a major concern.
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