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post #3091 of 4994
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post


^shouldn't count. because he's got a history of doctoring the ball. hell there's video proof of him doing it! They should vacate that win over the orioles. fing02[1].gif


Look, man. There is a time honored tradition of cheating in baseball. It's part of the fabric of the game. Cheating is acceptable and expected in baseball.

 

This tradition is not found in football and so iposo facto Tom Brady is a douche. 

 

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post #3092 of 4994
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Let's not up the douche factor of this thread by bringing Yankees into it tongue.gif

The point is, the NFL is creaming their pants over having deflate-gate being the top headline over dealing with things like concussions, domestic violence, PEDs, violence in general, illicit drug abuse, sexual assault, nepal, NCAA being a slave labor farm hand delivering livestock to them, Uggs, ect.
post #3093 of 4994
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post


Look, man. There is a time honored tradition of cheating in baseball. It's part of the fabric of the game. Cheating is acceptable and expected in baseball.

This tradition is not found in football and so iposo facto Tom Brady is a douche. 

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now you're off your rocker. whats more timeless than the "WE STOLE THE OPPOSING TEAM's PLAYBOOK!" troupe in american football.

also Jerry Rice basically used absurd amounts of stickum on his already tacky assed receiver's gloves his whole career.

using your logic Joe Montana career should be looked at as tainted. Those were some magical sticky hands he constantly passed to!
post #3094 of 4994

Okay, I will simply retreat to Tom Brady is a douche. Not for cheating but for asking a lowly equipment manager to jeopardize his livelihood to make the already fabulously wealthy Tom Brady more comfortable. 

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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post


wrong logic, there's no precedent for vacating wins with tampering with PSI of game balls, hell there was no precedent to even suspend players and or dock draft picks when teams have been caught:

NFL aware of game ball incident during Panthers-Vikings

also remember when Ray Rice was caught punching his wife out cold? his initial penalty was 2 games! using footballs deflated a couple PSI is twice as worse.


Heaters help both sides. Also, not playoff game. Also both teams didn't hide from it.

 

Ray Rice case isn't even related.

post #3096 of 4994
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post


Heaters help both sides. Also, not playoff game. Also both teams didn't hide from it.

Ray Rice case isn't even related.

handing down discipline thats proportional to the incident by the same commissioner is not related? come on now.

this is the same commissioner who suspended a coach a whole year because of suspect evidence, bounty gate, then gives ray rice 2 games because he admitted to knocking his wife unconscious, and now this. Trust me the commissioner is on cloud nine right now that this is the top story.
post #3097 of 4994
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

handing down discipline thats proportional to the incident by the same commissioner is not related? come on now.

this is the same commissioner who suspended a coach a whole year because of suspect evidence, bounty gate, then gives ray rice 2 games because he admitted to knocking his wife unconscious, and now this. Trust me the commissioner is on cloud nine right now that this is the top story.

If you're going to keep saying Goodell suspended Rice two games, you might as well bring in all the facts. Goodell also suspended him indefinitely.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

If you're going to keep saying he suspended him two games, you might as well bring in all the facts. He also suspended him indefinitely.

yup. initially ray rice was suspended 2 games. then the media got hold of the videotape all hell broke loose and the commissioner then changed his initial stance to pander to the public perception and suspended him indefinitely.

the facts? ray rice ended up with people defending him because of the flip flopping by the commissioner taking away his livelihood in a unethical manner. rice actually has a legit case using the players union. its sad that that wife beater actually does have a case being wronged by the commissioner like that.

I'm fine with the penalties the Pats got. I'm just laughing at people who want the playoff/superbowl wins vacated because balls were deflated 2psi, and because brady lied. should jerry rice and joe montana should have their superbowls revoked because rice used excessive amounts of stickum?

the one way where it would truly sting is if they caught brady in the act during the game - then you can eject him on the spot. but people who want playoff wins revoked after the fact are the very definition of butthurt.
post #3099 of 4994
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

but using that logic it is okay to cheat as long as it wasn't the factor that tipped the win in your favor.

Did it contribute? yes. was it against the rules? yes.

sorry bro. you're out, and so are your wins.

No the difference here is that it was only found for one game, ex post facto, and there's no real reason to suggest it played an impact. The italicized is what matters. Look, I'm only a low-level umpire but rule books for all sports are very clear that if you don't catch someone in the act, you can't go back and just apply punishments willy nilly. Also, all the can say for certain is that maybe Brady knew that something was up. That's not damning evidence (in fact is isn't even evidence) and any lawyer would pounce on that and vigorously defend their client if they are accused of at best a 51.1% chance that they knew something ma have been afoot.

Put it this way: if I worked at a firm and I made money off a few transactions. Two weeks later accusations surfaced that there might have been some sort of malfeasance (you pick what). Five months later it is determined that I might have known that someone else was involved with said impropriety, what do you think my punishment ought to be?
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

also remember when Ray Rice was caught punching his wife out cold? his initial penalty was 2 games! using footballs deflated a couple PSI is twice as worse.

also aaron rodgers likes his footballs inflated often 4 psi over legal limits. where's the outrage?

Well the former has nothing to do with football so it makes sense that the NFL has greater juridical authority with Brady than Rice. The latter is one of the things people are forgetting: balls are altered/tailored/however you want to phrase it to fit the QBs all the time.
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

handing down discipline thats proportional to the incident by the same commissioner is not related? come on now.

this is the same commissioner who suspended a coach a whole year because of suspect evidence, bounty gate, then gives ray rice 2 games because he admitted to knocking his wife unconscious, and now this. Trust me the commissioner is on cloud nine right now that this is the top story.

Well yeah Goodell is creaming his pants but he also is not bound by rules of law so it is kind of irrelevant.
post #3100 of 4994
My thoughts on Deflategate:

1. The Patriots are an incredibly well-coached and disciplined team. One of the best ever.

2. Due to the salary cap and free agency, the talent gap between the Patriots and the other NFL teams is much less than the gap was between other NFL dynasties and their competitors. Consider that all six of the Patriots' Super Bowls, both wins and losses, have been within four points.

3. Because of #2, the Patriots search for small advantages that can mean the difference between winning and losing. These moves either skirt the line of legality (if you're a reasonable Pats fan and not a homer) or cross it (if you're a fan of any of the other 31 teams).

4. Deflategate will have very few long-term effects. The Patriots will keep their Super Bowl 49 trophy, and Brady will be elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. Its only effect is on the discussion of Brady's and the Belichick Patriots' place in the hypothetical GOAT pantheon, where it will have to be raised.
post #3101 of 4994
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

My thoughts on Deflategate:

1. The Patriots are an incredibly well-coached and disciplined team. One of the best ever.

2. Due to the salary cap and free agency, the talent gap between the Patriots and the other NFL teams is much less than the gap was between other NFL dynasties and their competitors. Consider that all six of the Patriots' Super Bowls, both wins and losses, have been within four points.

3. Because of #2, the Patriots search for small advantages that can mean the difference between winning and losing. These moves either skirt the line of legality (if you're a reasonable Pats fan and not a homer) or cross it (if you're a fan of any of the other 31 teams).

4. Deflategate will have very few long-term effects. The Patriots will keep their Super Bowl 49 trophy, and Brady will be elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. Its only effect is on the discussion of Brady's and the Belichick Patriots' place in the hypothetical GOAT pantheon, where it will have to be raised.

I honestly doubt we'll remember deflategate at all. They will win one more SB and there will be some other bullshit issue of the day.
post #3102 of 4994
I agree on no long term consequence. People don't even care about spy gate (well I sorta am still ticked they used it to beat my hometown Rams).

4 Super Bowls, both Tom and Bill retire around the same time and all is forgotten. A billionaire eats pocket change.

Now this was a punishment:

McLaren excluded for a season and fined $100 million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formula_One_espionage_controversy
post #3103 of 4994
Hopefully even people who dislike the Patriots can admit that Goodell is an unprincipled hack and a bigger douche than Brady.
post #3104 of 4994
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

I honestly doubt we'll remember deflategate at all. They will win one more SB and there will be some other bullshit issue of the day.

People still talk about Spygate, don't they? Deflategate would have been forgotten if the Seahawks had won the Super Bowl. I wonder what the Patriots' punishment would have been in that circumstance? I'd like to think that the league would have been consistent, but it probably would have been much less.
post #3105 of 4994
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

Hopefully even people who dislike the Patriots can admit that Goodell is an unprincipled hack and a bigger douche than Brady.

 

obviously. and gets paid more than any player or coach. but besides the point.

 

 

I think the only time people will bring this stuff up, is when talking about his 'legacy'.

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