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post #2821 of 4994
In the immediate aftermath, emotions were shock at such a risky play. Even anger that we "threw" it away.

In retrospect you can look at every big play in football and there is an element of brilliance and stupidity in the decisions. Just depends on the outcome.

If Lockette catches, we describe this as a ballsy play avoiding the obvious rush defence and exploiting a rookie DB.

Biggest play was probably Lane going down with an injury because it is conceivable at least one of the TDs thrown his way might not happen. Could second guess for ages.

Credit to a very intelligent game plan by Belichick and the Pats played it well. Overall they were better than my Seahawks and I can live with that.
post #2822 of 4994
Watching the final two minutes again, it just seemed to me that as the seconds were winding down, the Seahawks were taking too long and/or didn't have plays set up for Wilson to make an attempt to score. Seriously, the look of befuddlement on the Seattle sideline was there. All while the clock was ticking. See: after the Kearse circus catch and Lynch's rush

All praise Malcolm Butler
post #2823 of 4994
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Personally I don't think the decision to pass on 2nd down at the goal was that silly. If it worked no one would bat an eye at the decision - some would probably call it "brave and inspired". The conservative (and boring) choice would have been to run it - which the Patriots were expecting.

Conservative and boring are pretty normative terms in context - "safe" might be an alternative. And whether the "conservative and boring" choice is appropriate or misguided depends largely on circumstances, risk/reward, etc. While it's certainly true in play-calling there's always a balance between safety (perceived or actual) and predictability, there are times when the relative risks and rewards clearly tip the scales of good judgment in a particular direction.

Yes, the Patriots were expecting a run. But Seattle had three chances to pound it in from the 1/2-yard with Faulk and/or a Wilson sneak. The odds of success, even with the Patriots expecting it, are pretty high. While a fumble is possible, the odds of a catastrophic turnover/mistake would have been far, far lower than on a quick pass into traffic.

I think the Seahawk play-callers may have let their egos and pride in their reputation for being "brave and inspired" impede their judgment. There's nothing "boring" about winning the Super Bowl.
post #2824 of 4994
Also, the Seattle WR group can stop saying they're being disrespected when people like Deion Sanders says they suck. The WR group aside from Mitchell had no impact whatsoever. Seattle could've really used someone of Golden Tate or Percy Harvin's caliber to make plays.
post #2825 of 4994
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I think the Seahawk play-callers may have let their egos and pride in their reputation for being "brave and inspired" impede their judgment. There's nothing "boring" about winning the Super Bowl.

I can somewhat agree with this which is why I mentioned Duron Harmon a few pages back. That Pats-Ravens game essentially ended with a pick as well stemming from a "I got this, bitches" throw from Flacco.
post #2826 of 4994
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Sherman is like the ugly, fat girl whose daddy keeps telling her how pretty she is… and despite all evidence to the contrary, she believes it.

"I went to Stanford bitch… they told me I'm smart!"


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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Watching the final two minutes again, it just seemed to me that as the seconds were winding down, the Seahawks were taking too long and/or didn't have plays set up for Wilson to make an attempt to score. Seriously, the look of befuddlement on the Seattle sideline was there. All while the clock was ticking. See: after the Kearse circus catch and Lynch's rush

All praise Malcolm Butler

Given that it was safe to assume Seattle was going to score, why didn't New England call a timeout though? Doesn't that seem weird?
post #2827 of 4994
I think the same thing happened with Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams in the first Patriots' Super Bowl win. He apparently forgot he had Marshall Faulk, the best football player on the planet at the time.
post #2828 of 4994
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Given that it was safe to assume Seattle was going to score, why didn't New England call a timeout though? Doesn't that seem weird?

It was such a odd moment, for sure. Those final two minutes were a literal combo of the last two Pats SB losses. Miracle catch '07 + allowing them to score '11

It looked like a personnel issue for Seattle because they expected NE to call the timeout but when Carroll realized Belichick was holstering his timeouts, he went into frantic mode
post #2829 of 4994
On another assklown front… Johnny Manziel has entered a "rehabilitation facility" to "improve his life". Hey Sherman is such an expert at life… looks like he will have something to do in the offseason.
post #2830 of 4994
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

It was such a odd moment, for sure. Those final two minutes were a literal combo of the last two Pats SB losses. Miracle catch '07 + allowing them to score '11

It looked like a personnel issue for Seattle because they expected NE to call the timeout but when Carroll realized Belichick was holstering his timeouts, he went into frantic mode

Agreed on both points. Belichick is a crazy motherfucker!
post #2831 of 4994
What is it about the day after the Super Bowl?? All these crazy stuff happening.......


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post #2832 of 4994
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

I think the same thing happened with Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams in the first Patriots' Super Bowl win. He apparently forgot he had Marshall Faulk, the best football player on the planet at the time.

remember the narrative for that Super Bowl? the greatest show on turf was cementing their legacy as the future dynasty against the overmatched patriots with a newb QB... all they needed to proceed was to win back to back SB titles.

I wonder what happens to the Seahawks after this... they are almost in the same situation as those kurt warner/marshall flaulk lead Rams... i assume they'll be awesome next season, but you never know...
post #2833 of 4994
Some football fans are loco.
They are calling into radio shows saying that a possible reason that they didn't give the ball to ML was that they didn't want him to be the potential MVP...

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post #2834 of 4994
Even though they didn't win the Superbowl, Seattle is still going to have to pay Russell Wilson. I seem to recall them having a decent amount of cap space, but having a mid-round draft pick on a rookie contract definitely helped in that regard. It will be interesting to see what if anything they'll have to sacrifice next year to get new contracts for Lynch / Wilson and possibly others. Seeing how well they did drafting guys like Sherman and others in the later rounds, it will also be interesting to see how their next draft picks pan out. Hitting on a few guys in the late rounds and having a QB playing for practically nothing were advantages that aren't as strong now.

I still think they'll be a very strong team. I just don't think they'll be quite as good as they were this year (and in turn I think and have said for awhile that they are not as good this year as they were last year).
post #2835 of 4994
Wilson's current cap hit is like $800k and Seattle plans to make him one of the highest paid guys in the league. If we just use an estimate of $20M a year cap hit plus resigning Marshawn to make him the 2nd highest paid RB as it's currently being reported then cutbacks are going to need to be made somewhere. We already see it in the weak WR corps and it will start hitting the depth chart soon such as the secondary after the LoB.
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