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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post

Wow John Fox is out at Denver...

Wonder if Peyton is done too (just not officially announced) and they're getting ready to retool / rebuild. I guess two 1 and done divisional round losses and an embarrassing blowout in the Super Bowl in 3 years isn't great considering they brought in Peyton to win a championship, but do they really think a different coach is the missing element / will dramatically change things next year?
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Don't they have like seven free agents this year and well over the cap??
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^ That too.
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

The Megatron play a few years back that introduced everyone to this rule occurred in the end zone. In fact, it looked almost exactly like the Dez play.

Here's that play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a77070/Controversial-call-on-Megatron-non-TD

Two feet, a knee and an elbow down, also a slight lunge on the end.

You're right, that makes it even more weird. If he caught the ball at the 1 and fall across the goal line, TD. But catch it in the endzone and it has to be firmly grasped apparently until you walk to the sidelines.

I understand it, but it's still weird.
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Don't they have like seven free agents this year and well over the cap??

They have a lot of UFA's and they're only about $900k under the cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/cap/
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Yeah, I think Denver went all out trying to win a SB with Manning and it didn't work. Now they will have to start from scratch again.
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^ Pretty much. There have also been rumours floating around as far back as last summer where certain players were taking under-the-table, "handshake" deals that would help benefit the cap situation.
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

I guess someone has to take the fall for the one-and-done. Elway's not going to fire himself, and Peyton....well laugh.gif

Elway still looks like Mr. Ed...
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Elway still looks like Mr. Ed...

His daughter looks just like him too.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

You're right, that makes it even more weird. If he caught the ball at the 1 and fall across the goal line, TD. But catch it in the endzone and it has to be firmly grasped apparently until you walk to the sidelines.

I understand it, but it's still weird.

I'm not entirely sure your goal line scenario is correct. Everything I've read makes it clear that absent that "football move" (which is entirely subjective), the receiver has to control the ball coming to the ground regardless of where it occurs. I've seen plenty of occurrences where a player loses control of the ball when reaching for the pylon and is awarded a TD, but that act of reaching is a football move hence he has complete control of the ball.

This is one of those ticky-tacky rules that works a majority of the time but is going to look really bad every once in awhile.
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Originally Posted by Nil View Post

I'm not entirely sure your goal line scenario is correct. Everything I've read makes it clear that absent that "football move" (which is entirely subjective), the receiver has to control the ball coming to the ground regardless of where it occurs. I've seen plenty of occurrences where a player loses control of the ball when reaching for the pylon and is awarded a TD, but that act of reaching is a football move hence he has complete control of the ball.

This is one of those ticky-tacky rules that works a majority of the time but is going to look really bad every once in awhile.

No, you're right. But Dez was "reaching", so breaking the plane would likely have made it a TD and he wouldn't have had to worry about maintaining control through hitting the ground.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Huh, I don't get why that would seem odd to anyone. You've broken the plane of the end zone -- touchdown, play is over.
I mean, lots of stuff is different in the end zone. For example, tackling a guy after he has entered the end zone is generally less effective.

The issue is it's not a touchdown if you don't have possession. But you otherwise aren't considered to have possession unless you control the ball through hitting the ground. So it makes it seem as if the rules for what constitutes "possession" is different for someone crossing the goal line vs. someone in the field of play (or even full in the end zone, as the Calvin Johnson play showed).
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Originally Posted by dcg View Post

The issue is it's not a touchdown if you don't have possession. But you otherwise aren't considered to have possession unless you control the ball through hitting the ground. So it makes it seem as if the rules for what constitutes "possession" is different for someone crossing the goal line vs. someone in the field of play (or even full in the end zone, as the Calvin Johnson play showed).

Well, yes, obviously they are different. I guess what I don't intuitively get is why that would bother anyone. It just is what it is. But I certainly agree that what constitutes "possession", or at least "maintaining possession" will sometimes be different in the end zone than outside of it.
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Colts linebacker McNary charged with rape

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-01-14/josh-mcnary-rape-charge-indianapolis-colts-linebacker-army-bar-apartment

This is not good, a few days before the Colts look to upset NE.
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