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Your favorite shirts brand?

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Mine is H&K because of : - nice fabrics (one of the best in their range price) ; - classik cut (which fits me not too bad) ; - nice details like : matching patterns, single needle, collar/cuffs not fused, mother of pearl ... - good DISCOUNT during sales ; - huge choice in Paris. An yours?
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Hi Ernest, I know you don't like Alain Figaret's shirts because of their collars and cuffs but I found they have a cut that fits me well. They are much closer to the body at the waist than the usual very loose fitting shirts. Fabric and finish are good. Choice is huge indeed (I like the style, probably more conservative than H&K, I don't like stripes and fancy patterns). Around 70EUR in sales. I'm yet to see the price during January private sales. By the way, collar and cuffs are looking fine to me, so far. P. Edit: Cafe Coton has good discount (45EUR for twofolds shirts) and rather good finish but the fabrics and cuts are not up to Figaret's.
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Hi Ernest, I know you don't like Alain Figaret's shirts because of their collars and cuffs but I found they have a cut that fits me well. They are much closer to the body at the waist than the usual very loose fitting shirts. Fabric and finish are good. Choice is huge indeed (I like the style, probably more conservative than H&K, I don't like stripes and fancy patterns). Around 70EUR in sales. I'm yet to see the price during January private sales. By the way, collar and cuffs are looking fine to me, so far. P. Edit: Cafe Coton has good discount (45EUR for twofolds shirts) and rather good finish but the fabrics and cuts are not up to Figaret's.
Salut, I'm french and I live near Paris so I know Figaret. I do not like this brand because quality is not very high dispite what think many clients who said they go there for the high quality of shirts (cuffs ans collars are folding after a wash and looks not very clean) Conservative? H&k is more conservative than Figaret as stripes are very conservative. Figaret as many oxford fabrics what confirms it is less conservative than H&K. Can you find by Figaret : - split yoke? - single needle stiching? - gusset? - matching of patterns? Have you even tried an H&K or T&A shirt?
post #4 of 36
My favorite shirts are Charvets. The quality is more than good enough for me, and there's just something about them that draws me in. Charvets are however, tough to come by in Detroit, so barring trips to Paris or NYC, I usually have to buy other brands. I seem to gravitate toward T&A (for their fabrics, collar and cuff styles, and also because I have easier access to them). I fully recognize that H&K makes a better shirt, and that from my experience, T&A customer service is the absolute worst on earth. I keep promising myself that I will stop buying T&A's, but the resolution seldom lasts.
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My favorite shirts are Charvets.  The quality is more than good enough for me, and there's just something about them that draws me in.  Charvets are however, tough to come by in Detroit, so barring trips to Paris or NYC, I usually have to buy other brands. I seem to gravitate toward T&A (for their fabrics, collar and cuff styles, and also because I have easier access to them).  I fully recognize that H&K makes a better shirt, and that from my experience, T&A customer service is the absolute worst on earth.  I keep promising myself that I will stop buying T&A's, but the resolution seldom lasts.
H&K services is not very good neither but prices are cheaper than T&A. T&A is at 150 euros in Paris, 100 euros during sales. I bought mine ine London for 46 GBP only. What kind of problem have you had with them? Some of my shirts H&K I bought on january had defects because of new factories and new suppliers (too short sleeves, too waist collar and plastik buttons). It takes severals months to receive a correct shirt from London by mail (I'm still waiting for) . I finaly kept the plastik ones but received a free shirt.
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RTW: Battistoni, Matuozzo (the one RTW that I have is very very nice), Borrelli (the slimmer fit model) and to a lesser degree Charvet. Bespoke: Battistoni, Matuozzo (I have an exquisite light royal blue shirt), Charvet, plus some other small Roman/Neapolitan ateliers. Edit: for a fun RTW shirt, Etro is neat (although one has to take care from going over the top).
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RTW: Battistoni, Matuozzo (the one RTW that I have is very very nice), Borrelli (the slimmer fit model) and to a lesser degree Charvet. Bespoke: Battistoni, Matuozzo (I have an exquisite light royal blue shirt), Charvet, plus some other small Roman/Neapolitan ateliers.
what do you like in these brands?
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(T4phage @ 01 July 2004, 07:37) RTW: Battistoni, Matuozzo (the one RTW that I have is very very nice), Borrelli (the slimmer fit model) and to a lesser degree Charvet. Bespoke: Battistoni, Matuozzo (I have an exquisite light royal blue shirt), Charvet, plus some other small Roman/Neapolitan ateliers.
what do you like in these brands?
Fit, materials, workmanship, detailing, execution.
post #9 of 36
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and that from my experience, T&A customer service is the absolute worst on earth.
Amen to that. Their customer service is in dire need of a professional manager that will completely revamp, well...everything. Don't fret about just their CS though, because the entire company is mismanaged on every level. Apparently even powerhouses like Neimans are unable to get feedback from T&A for months at a time. Same goes with the delivery time...regardless if you order shirts in one of their own stores (on either side of the pond), Harrods's or a third party reseller (such as NM), the wait time can be from 1 ½ months to over 6 months. Simply sad. That being said, I agree with Ernest regarding H&K. From matching patterns, to split-yokes, to single-needle stitching, H&K makes the best shirt for the money (especially during sales time when they are 45 pounds each {$81}). Jon.
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BTW, I'm a longtime lurker who's finally taken the plunge to comment and attempt to contribute to the fun although I probably can't add a whole bunch of wisdom -- I hope to soak some of that up here. That said: I like Ike. I know some of you might turn a nostril askance at that but let me explain. When I was a mere slip of an editor, back in the early '80s, I went to Macy's in Stamford in an attempt to buy clothing that would not make my colleagues cringe. Or at least allow them to cringe at real me and not my facade. Well, the salesguy in the dress shirts department told me in plain terms I was an idiotmoron, maybe even a moron, for looking at anything that was not 100 percent cotton. I told him I don't iron and he said he didn't either but his dry cleaner did. So I look at the brands and he points out this and that and I consider whether this or that is worth a week of macaroni and cheese when I looked up, way up on the rack behind the counter and said, "What are those." He said, "Those are Ike Behar. They are the best." and he made no attempt to get any down, knowing I would look at the price and blush. Now here I am decades later and still not able, or willing, to pay that much for a shirt and one day in Marshall's I saw them -- symbols of unattainable grace -- on sale for $22. I bought them. I wear them. I still don't have grace, but if I ever get it I'll be dressed for it.
post #11 of 36
Ernest, as previously said I understand you don't like Figaret. Still the forum is made for sharing with everyone and that is what I do. Otherwise, I would have sent a private message. Whether the stripes are conservative or not, I'm not found of them. 80% of my shirts are plain blue (in various fabrics, like chevron) or white. I never paid to much attention to pattern matching but I will have a look next time. Even if I suppose your question was rhetorical. The major plus of Figaret for me is the fit. I frankly don't feel the need for MTM shirts as those are fitting me very well. I like them and don't need a feature check list for that. I don't care for a split yoke if it fits well without. Gussets are supposed to be good but again I don't really care. It's just a damn shirt. Also, the service is good; I feel welcomed and value that. I like to stick with national brands and with local shops, both for the convenience and (sorry if it sounds naïve) to be supportive of the economy of the country where I'm living. (For instance, I bought French hifi : Atoll cdp and amp with Triangle speakers if there are any hifi amateurs here. I feel good about it. It sound pretty good too.) Finally, your last sentence sounds a bit aggressive to me. English being our second language (or third, or whatever), please forgive me if I mis-interpreted. I would like to point that I did not say a word - good or bad - about H&K or T&A quality. I never tried them (but might in the future). Does it mean that Figaret shirts cannot be my favorite? Am I not allowed to have a favorite shirt brand before I tried them all? Regards, P.
post #12 of 36
Actually, I just remembered I must go to London next Friday. I will buy a H&K and let you know if I find added-value in those features you mention. Our office is on Jermyn street so that should be quite feasible. P.
post #13 of 36
As I understand it, the split yoke on RTW shirts is useless as both sides of the yoke are made to the same size. Also, I have to say that the gusset is just as bad. Shirts no longer receive much stress at the gusset point as they longer have to be put on over the head. Now a shirt's buttons will tear off long before the side seam rips. Gussets are the Maginot Line of shirting.
post #14 of 36
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Ernest, as previously said I understand you don't like Figaret. Still the forum is made for sharing with everyone and that is what I do. Otherwise, I would have sent a private message. Whether the stripes are conservative or not, I'm not found of them. 80% of my shirts are plain blue (in various fabrics, like chevron) or white. I never paid to much attention to pattern matching but I will have a look next time. Even if I suppose your question was rhetorical. The major plus of Figaret for me is the fit. I frankly don't feel the need for MTM shirts as those are fitting me very well. I like them and don't need a feature check list for that. I don't care for a split yoke if it fits well without. Gussets are supposed to be good but again I don't really care. It's just a damn shirt. Also, the service is good; I feel welcomed and value that. I like to stick with national brands and with local shops, both for the convenience and (sorry if it sounds naïve) to be supportive of the economy of the country where I'm living. (For instance, I bought French hifi : Atoll cdp and amp with Triangle speakers if there are any hifi amateurs here. I feel good about it. It sound pretty good too.) Finally, your last sentence sounds a bit aggressive to me. English being our second language (or third, or whatever), please forgive me if I mis-interpreted. I would like to point that I did not say a word - good or bad - about H&K or T&A quality. I never tried them (but might in the future). Does it mean that Figaret shirts cannot be my favorite? Am I not allowed to have a favorite shirt brand before I tried them all? Regards, P.
A private message? What for? I do not understand. I can not give my opinion about Figaret just because you like it? I never said you had said something about H&k or T&A but just wanted to make you understand why is Figaret not so good as you think it is by trying another nice brand. When you eat only "croissant" you can not imagine how better is "croissant au beurre"... The most important interest of this forum is to LEARN from others, learn about new brands, about construction, about quality that's why I talked about H&K, T&A, gusset, matching, split yoke... (things I learnt here). Figaret can be your favorite but it would not be bad to be aware of what can do others brands better, wouldn't it? Strange behaviour to buy because it is french. Is not this some sort of primary nationalism? When you buy in France you support French economics even if brand is not a french one or made in France (you pay taxes, you pay sellers...). What would you thing if an american says he prefers American cheese/win because it an US product? I prefer quality and good price to origin of the product. In french Hifi, try BC accoustic, one of the best.
post #15 of 36
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Whether the stripes are conservative or not, I'm not found of them. [b] You said you prefer Figaret to H&k may be because Figaret is more conservative. So conservative seems important for you. You added you do not like stripes. Well, I just inform you : - H&K is more conservative than Figaret - stripes are conservative So you shoul like H&K.
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