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post #31 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

Your not serious?

I am serious. I have no idea why that would be important. Never heard it before in the context of clothing.
post #32 of 104
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Your not serious?

I know you're responding to another person's post here but - for me, I understand why some people might care about something being locally made, but I don't put much value on it personally.
post #33 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

I know you're responding to another person's post here but - for me, I understand why some people might care about something being locally made, but I don't put much value on it personally.

I understand why some people might care about something being locally made. I can't understand why people would care about whether a suit is locally made.
post #34 of 104
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I understand why some people might care about something being locally made. I can't understand why people would care about whether a suit is locally made.

Some of the same reasons. You might not agree with labor practices in a 3rd world country, for instance. You might think it's important to help out business in your area rather than somewhere you don't know anyone. You might feel like it's a more rewarding experience if you can meet someone who was directly involved in making your suit.
post #35 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Whether he should be paid to wear clothing is another discussion. Which I'm happy to have, but let's separate that from the discussion over what he should wear.
You're talking with someone who sees some good in elitism. My reaction is not a part of some socialist manifesto. I have paid that much and more for suits, so you don't have to convince me that it can be worth doing. But there are people who have an interest in looking good but don't want to spend that much money. They need suits too. It's not obvious that seeing how great a $2k suit can be will help you find a better $500 suit. I don't see why it's Tim Gunn's responsibility to show those people how much better a $2k suit is. If he should be showcasing $2k suits, why not $6k suits? Why not $10k suits?

Indeed why not a 10k suit? I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiration, its probably something that the west is lacking right now. I think people should aspire to be able to buy or experience fine things in life. TG can obviously afford say a Savile Row suit or a Rubinacci, as an expert on clothing one would think that he would want to wear clothes like that and I would go as far to say he should be wearing clothes like that, given his profession and status.
post #36 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Some of the same reasons. You might not agree with labor practices in a 3rd world country, for instance. You might think it's important to help out business in your area rather than somewhere you don't know anyone. You might feel like it's a more rewarding experience if you can meet someone who was directly involved in making your suit.

Only one of those really argues for having a suit locally made (helping out a business in your area). And while that would be a totally reasonable way to select a tailor, I would find it odd if David was suggesting that one should use a local tailor to support someone in their area.
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post


I'm doing better than ever. The business has doubled every year for the past 4 years. Im wearing a cost price 3k suit and George Cleverley Bespoke shoes right now. God bless the American dream I say. I really mean that.

Great, so why don't you be happy instead of making yourself look foolish by bagging on a great brand and taking shots at highly successful people. Clearly there is plenty of business to go around. 

post #38 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post


Indeed why not a 10k suit? I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiration, its probably something that the west is lacking right now. I think people should aspire to be able to buy or experience fine things in life. TG can obviously afford say a Savile Row suit or a Rubinacci, as an expert on clothing one would think that he would want to wear clothes like that and I would go as far to say he should be wearing clothes like that, given his profession and status.

Just stop, LOL. Truly, you sound foolish.

post #39 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

Indeed why not a 10k suit? I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiration, its probably something that the west is lacking right now. I think people should aspire to be able to buy or experience fine things in life. TG can obviously afford say a Savile Row suit or a Rubinacci, as an expert on clothing one would think that he would want to wear clothes like that and I would go as far to say he should be wearing clothes like that, given his profession and status.

Not necessarily. If you do, say, a cooking show, should you use all the most expensive kitchen doo-dads and all the most time-consuming recipes to get the best final product? At the very least, can we agree that someone who shows you how to make the best hamburger using commonly available utensils and no more than 10 minutes is doing something worthwhile and not something immoral?
post #40 of 104
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Originally Posted by Frankie22 View Post

Great, so why don't you be happy instead of making yourself look foolish by bagging on a great brand and taking shots at highly successful people. Clearly there is plenty of business to go around. 

Hey I have opinions, this a forum. More interesting than posting things like is it normal my shoes squeak? etc.
post #41 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Some of the same reasons. You might not agree with labor practices in a 3rd world country, for instance. You might think it's important to help out business in your area rather than somewhere you don't know anyone. You might feel like it's a more rewarding experience if you can meet someone who was directly involved in making your suit.

I agree with all of this. I remember two years ago showing up at a factory in New York with all the workers stood outside, it was closed because there was no work. That really hit home to me because up until then I hadn't really seen the effects of the downturn. I don't just fill an order out and email it abroad, I see these people and work with them about three times a week, so they are "real" to me. I am sure many people would be upset if they got fired because their job was outsourced abroad. I don't want to see that happen especially because they are damned good at what they do. I mean would you like to see this lady lose her job? I wouldn't. This may seem dramatic but its a reality.



Another reason for making locally is its good for the environment ie less shipping involved in manufacture and delivery of product.

The bottom line business reason why I use local workers, is because the quality is great, not only that but communication is easier (they speak english) and I can get into that shop or I can see that tailor personally and ensure things get done properly, so its great for quality control and the product at the end of the day.
post #42 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

I agree with all of this. I remember two years ago showing up at a factory in New York with all the workers stood outside, it was closed because there was no work. That really hit home to me because up until then I hadn't really seen the effects of the downturn. I don't just fill an order out and email it abroad, I see these people and work with them about three times a week, so they are "real" to me. I am sure many people would be upset if they got fired because their job was outsourced abroad. I don't want to see that happen especially because they are damned good at what they do. I mean would you like to see this lady lose her job? I wouldn't. This may seem dramatic but its a reality.

OK, but what about the unpictured someone in another community whose job may also depend on my suit order? I understand that the people in your neighborhood may be more important to you. I just don't have that preference. I don't think that makes me a bad person.

The shipping issue might matter but...on the other hand, you're having fabric shipped over from the UK and Italy, so there's plenty of shipping going on anyway. And making locally could potentially be more energy-intensive.

The quality issues are real, but I consider them separate from an intrinsic preference for something locally made.
post #43 of 104
How much customizing can be done with Suit Supply (who is a MTM tailor) versus MTM tailors such as Hemrajani (AKA mytailor.com) and Modern Tailor? Outside of not having basting fittings like bespoke tailors do, Hemrajani and Modern Tailor have just as much customizing as (if far less hand work than) bespoke tailors such as Caraceni, Rubinacci and Savile Row.

Yes, Mr. Reeves (or, if you prefer, David), you absolutely are included with Savile Row since that is where you got your career as an artisan started. smile.gif
post #44 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

OK, but what about the unpictured someone in another community whose job may also depend on my suit order? I understand that the people in your neighborhood may be more important to you. I just don't have that preference. I don't think that makes me a bad person.

The shipping issue might matter but...on the other hand, you're having fabric shipped over from the UK and Italy, so there's plenty of shipping going on anyway. And making locally could potentially be more energy-intensive.

The quality issues are real, but I consider them separate from an intrinsic preference for something locally made.

I am not saying you are a bad person. It matters to some people and it matters to me, ultimately its my business so what I say goes:D I have given you my honest opinion and perspective, you can disagree with me but you cant change that opinion. Im not going to slap myself on the forehead and start manufacturing in Nepal tomorrow.

As an experienced producer of clothes I can tell you that shorter supply lines and the ability to actually go into that environment and be involved in process does indeed help quality and final product. I have worked with many factories at many firms over the past 15 years including Zegna, Scabal, Wensum, Cheshire clothing, Belvest, greenfield, Primo and Trinity so I know a bit about working with local and overseas manufacturing.
post #45 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

I am not saying you are a bad person. It matters to some people and it matters to me, ultimately its my business so what I say goes:D I have given you my honest opinion and perspective, you can disagree with me but you cant change that opinion. Im not going to slap myself on the forehead and start manufacturing in Nepal tomorrow.

I'm not trying to convince you to start manufacturing in Nepal. I'm not even trying to convince anyone to buy a suit that's made in Nepal. I'm just trying to convince you that Tim Gunn doesn't have any moral obligation to promote any kind of product just because it's made in a particular place.
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