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post #16 of 104
It's a disgrace Tim Gunn wearing clothes like that. He should be championing a more artisanal, preferably locally made product. There's probably some deal going on, every time I watch master chef the hosts are plugging Walmart shamelessly, complete sell outs.
post #17 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

It's a disgrace Tim Gunn wearing clothes like that. He should be championing a more artisanal, preferably locally made product. There's probably some deal going on, every time I watch master chef the hosts are plugging Walmart shamelessly, complete sell outs.

You're right, how dare a business venture attempt to make money? Can you believe the nerve.....

I know you are a small business owner, but this sell out commentary runs tirelessly. Wah wah. If you can find a way to make money doing things the artisanal way then more more power to you. But others want to grow as fast as possible and make their money and be done. You can't fault someone for wanting to be a celebrity and make money, the same way they shouldn't fault you for NOT "selling out."

Sorry to derail the main topic....
post #18 of 104
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Originally Posted by CousinDonuts View Post

You're right, how dare a business venture attempt to make money? Can you believe the nerve.....

I know you are a small business owner, but this sell out commentary runs tirelessly. Wah wah. If you can find a way to make money doing things the artisanal way then more more power to you. But others want to grow as fast as possible and make their money and be done. You can't fault someone for wanting to be a celebrity and make money, the same way they shouldn't fault you for NOT "selling out."

Sorry to derail the main topic....

I just prefer wit against shit.
post #19 of 104
David -

Do you have a problem with TG wearing anything from an international brand or is it specifically Suit Supply that you have an issue with because of the advertising?

Personally I think SS does a very good job at that price level. It's reasonable TG might agree. If he likes the company and wants to wear their clothes, what's the problem with him getting paid for it?

If you accept that in principle there's nothing wrong with someone on TV getting paid to wear clothes, then it really makes no sense for a local company to be the one paying. Only a small fraction of viewers would be potential customers, whereas for a company like SS just about everyone watching the show could buy from them if they wanted.

I know some people place extra value on something made in small production runs, but other people don't care. I don't see it as a moral issue.
post #20 of 104
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Originally Posted by erpet View Post

I also made the Google image search now and..... what the He......?! That might just blow up in their faces.


Passé. This was around 2 years ago. Has only gotten bigger.

post #21 of 104
David Reeves, what is up with the harsh attitude? I expect more from you.
post #22 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

David -

Do you have a problem with TG wearing anything from an international brand or is it specifically Suit Supply that you have an issue with because of the advertising?

Personally I think SS does a very good job at that price level. It's reasonable TG might agree. If he likes the company and wants to wear their clothes, what's the problem with him getting paid for it?

If you accept that in principle there's nothing wrong with someone on TV getting paid to wear clothes, then it really makes no sense for a local company to be the one paying. Only a small fraction of viewers would be potential customers, whereas for a company like SS just about everyone watching the show could buy from them if they wanted.

I know some people place extra value on something made in small production runs, but other people don't care. I don't see it as a moral issue.

I would agree that suit supply is a solid company in terms of what it produces at its price point and I would certainly not begrudge them or anybody success in business. There is certainly a need and a market for suit supply.

In terms of TG I just think its wrong for someone who is an educator and someone who acts as an expert on fashion to wear clothes like that. It really does remind me of michelin star chefs plugging walmart. If it was a regular guy I wouldn't be so bothered. Someone with his platform should be educating people about the wonderful things that high end makers produce.

I actually don't agree with celebrities getting paid to wear clothes but thats another issue.

I just think it cant all boil down to $$$s there has to be some pride, passion and integrity.
post #23 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

It's a disgrace Tim Gunn wearing clothes like that. He should be championing a more artisanal, preferably locally made product. There's probably some deal going on, every time I watch master chef the hosts are plugging Walmart shamelessly, complete sell outs.

Hmmm. Why is locally made important?
post #24 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

Someone with his platform should be educating people about the wonderful things that high end makers produce.

Why? It's not relevant for 95% or more of the population. Most guys are just never going to even dream of spending $2k or more on a suit. Any guys watching the show, or any girls watching the show that might have impact on the clothing decisions of men in their lives, might just be turned off by the idea of a suit costing so much. He might feel that he's doing more good showing how to look good in a $500 suit rather than how much better a $2k+ suit can be. I don't see why he "should" be a shill for quality high end makers any more than he "should" be a shill for quality mid-range makers.
post #25 of 104
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Originally Posted by vida View Post

David Reeves, what is up with the harsh attitude? I expect more from you.

I'm a real person, I have opinions and views and this is a "forum". Anybody that has ever met me knows I am not a harsh person although I am a rather robust and plain speaking Northerner. I am genuinely passionate about the industry I work in and I do feel that I am not just a businessman, but someone that has responsibilities to that industry.
post #26 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

These are suits for kids. Nothing wrong with that, but not for you.

 

For kids? I have several items from bespoke houses, high end italian rtw and also SS. Love all my SS items because they fit off the rack, are pretty good quality and I dont care if someone spills a drink on them! I was sick and tired of cringing at the airport when my 2k jacket went through the scanner.  Talking with my local NYC tailor (well known) he is very aware of suit supply and their extreme success as he's losing customers. Main point is this: guys like you are getting beat like a drum by SS because the product they offer for the cost is very very good. There is no magic involved. They have a very good business model and employ an EDLP pricing strategy. The product is good and they used branded fabric. That is why they kick ass.

 

With regard to your point with Tim, perhaps he simply likes Suit Supply? I can assure you the demographic who is watching his show/following him are not bespoke customers. What you do (which guys like me and everyone else on this forum covets/respects) is very niche. 98% of folks dont have the time, energy or $ for bespoke. That 98% is whom is paying Tim's salary because that's who is watching his shows and buying his products. What time "owes" the industry is to preach and push better dressing. Price point has nothing to do with that.


Edited by Frankie22 - 9/3/13 at 12:38pm
post #27 of 104
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Why? It's not relevant for 95% or more of the population. Most guys are just never going to even dream of spending $2k or more on a suit. Any guys watching the show, or any girls watching the show that might have impact on the clothing decisions of men in their lives, might just be turned off by the idea of a suit costing so much. He might feel that he's doing more good showing how to look good in a $500 suit rather than how much better a $2k+ suit can be. I don't see why he "should" be a shill for quality high end makers any more than he "should" be a shill for quality mid-range makers.

I dont think he should be a shill at all. Why does he have to be paid to wear clothes?

I know elitism is a bad word now but there is no need to dumb things down for the "95%" I think your just writing people off. I know 2k+ is a lot of money but fine things in life are fantastic they make life worth living, there is nothing wrong with beautiful things and they do not belong to the Elite they can and should be appreciated by everybody.
post #28 of 104
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Originally Posted by Frankie22 View Post

For kids? I have several items from bespoke houses, high end italian rtw and also SS.  Talking with my local NYC tailor (very well known) he is very aware of suit supply and their extreme success as he's losing customers. Main point is this: guys like you are getting beat like a drum by SS because the product they offer for the cost is very very good. 

I'm doing better than ever. The business has doubled every year for the past 4 years. Im wearing a cost price 3k suit and George Cleverley Bespoke shoes right now. God bless the American dream I say. I really mean that.
post #29 of 104
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Originally Posted by agjiffy View Post

Hmmm. Why is locally made important?

Your not serious?
post #30 of 104
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

I dont think he should be a shill at all. Why does he have to be paid to wear clothes?

Whether he should be paid to wear clothing is another discussion. Which I'm happy to have, but let's separate that from the discussion over what he should wear.
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Originally Posted by David Reeves View Post

I know elitism is a bad word now but there is no need to dumb things down for the "95%" I think your just writing people off. I know 2k+ is a lot of money but fine things in life are fantastic they make life worth living, there is nothing wrong with beautiful things and they do not belong to the Elite they can and should be appreciated by everybody.

You're talking with someone who sees some good in elitism. My reaction is not a part of some socialist manifesto. I have paid that much and more for suits, so you don't have to convince me that it can be worth doing. But there are people who have an interest in looking good but don't want to spend that much money. They need suits too. It's not obvious that seeing how great a $2k suit can be will help you find a better $500 suit. I don't see why it's Tim Gunn's responsibility to show those people how much better a $2k suit is. If he should be showcasing $2k suits, why not $6k suits? Why not $10k suits?
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