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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by umbrella613 View Post

Thanks for the post!

Anyone know of any stores in NYC-area that sells Loakes? Quick Google search turned up one place (Carson Street Clothiers), but they have a very small selection...

Thanks!

Charles Tyrwhitt shoes are Loake. The CT shoes in the $325 range are the ones that are the equivalent of the 1880 line. They are listed as "made in England."

post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by wurger 
The finishing is definitely not as well

Close enough for many people, I'm sure. Not experts, but most people aren't.
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Close enough for many people, I'm sure. Not experts, but most people aren't.

well, if you want to go there, then you can say that the finishing on cole haans is almost as good as loake, and then you end up spiraling down.

C&J offers a premium product at a premium price. Loakes are a solid, robust entry level GY welted shoe. Just like AE, they last a long time, look good, and wear well, but the fine detailing is lacking, as is commensurate with the price.
post #34 of 55
Of course, I understand, and so do you, but there are plenty out there who wouldn't, and that was my point.
post #35 of 55
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ehhh, i'm not so sure about that.

You're not sure they are as well made as C&J? They use the same processes, the same types of machinery. The important distinction would be that C&J use finer types of calfskin, and where any handwork is involved - e.g. burnishing - C&J can be trusted to do a better job. But in terms of construction, the Loake shoes I have are every bit as well made as my several pairs of C&Js. Some are getting on for 10 years old and have been treated quite mercilessly, yet are still in very good order. If anything, they seem almost more robust than my C&Js which, being of finer calf, tend to scratch rather easily.

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it's more about how you define well made. If you are just talking about goodyear welt construction, they probably will last the same length, but quadcammer and myself are including finishing too.
post #37 of 55
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You're not sure they are as well made as C&J? They use the same processes, the same types of machinery. The important distinction would be that C&J use finer types of calfskin, and where any handwork is involved - e.g. burnishing - C&J can be trusted to do a better job. But in terms of construction, the Loake shoes I have are every bit as well made as my several pairs of C&Js. Some are getting on for 10 years old and have been treated quite mercilessly, yet are still in very good order. If anything, they seem almost more robust than my C&Js which, being of finer calf, tend to scratch rather easily.

Porsche and Kia also use the same processes and the same types of machinery. That doesn't mean the quality is the same.

C&J uses finer materials, has finer stitching, better quality control, more accurate clickers, etc.

of course the GY welting is the same, but the way in which it is done is simply better at C&J.

Now mind you, its not a dramatic difference like comparing a glued Aldo POS with edward greens, but there is a difference.
post #38 of 55

Perhaps I've just been lucky with my choice of shoes, but comparing my Loakes with my Crocketts, I can't distinguish any of the shortcomings that your analysis would suggest exist. The stitching is all accurate - it's very possibly to an almost imperceptibly coarser gauge, but that is all.

 

I've seen Goodyear welting done at various shoe factories - most recently at Edward Green. It's very hard to do it either 'better' or 'worse' - it's all done by a machine in about 8 seconds a shoe. 

post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by Isbister View Post

Perhaps I've just been lucky with my choice of shoes, but comparing my Loakes with my Crocketts, I can't distinguish any of the shortcomings that your analysis would suggest exist. The stitching is all accurate - it's very possibly to an almost imperceptibly coarser gauge, but that is all.

I've seen Goodyear welting done at various shoe factories - most recently at Edward Green. It's very hard to do it either 'better' or 'worse' - it's all done by a machine in about 8 seconds a shoe. 

the welting process is not the only part of shoemaking, which I'm sure you acknowledge
post #40 of 55
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the welting process is not the only part of shoemaking, which I'm sure you acknowledge

Far from it.

 

Welting a) at Sanders & Sanders; b) at Edward Green - or is it the other way round? 

 

 

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post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by umbrella613 View Post

Though Loakes doesn't ship overseas, several UK retailers do -

1. Robinson's Shoemakers (free shipping!)
http://www.robinsonsshoes.com/p0/loake-shoes/53.htm

2. Pediwear
http://www.pediwear.co.uk/orders/world.php

3. Herring
http://www.herringshoes.co.uk

4. Andersons of Durnham (...I think; 10% off after mailinglist sign-up)
http://www.andersonsofdurham.com/en/mens-shoes/loake-shoes.html

And, VAT deductions...

Party!

Also Shoe Healer:

http://www.shoehealer.co.uk/loake

Richard from Shoe Healer set up my tours at Loake and Trickers. Article about their store coming out on Monday.
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by JTA View Post

Thanks for the review, very interesting read.
Would you say that the quality for 1880 and Evolution line is on par? Seems like both are mentioned on the same breadth.

They're both burnished calf, made in the same Kettering factory, of course GY welted. Evolution has a more padded and flexible sole construction, and tend to come in wider sizes. The styling is similar to the 1880 line too - classic, conservative English. The "Evolution" name might make you think it's similar to the 'Design' line, but that's not the case.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post

Porsche and Kia also use the same processes and the same types of machinery. That doesn't mean the quality is the same.

C&J uses finer materials, has finer stitching, better quality control, more accurate clickers, etc.

of course the GY welting is the same, but the way in which it is done is simply better at C&J.

Now mind you, its not a dramatic difference like comparing a glued Aldo POS with edward greens, but there is a difference.

Yes, but as I said, only experts can really tell the difference, not the layman. To the vast majority of people, an 1880 Loake would look just as good as a C&J shoe. Whereas, even a layman would most likely be able to tell the difference in quality and finish etc. between a Porsche and a Kia. Not really a valid comparison.

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Originally Posted by Isbister View Post

Perhaps I've just been lucky with my choice of shoes, but comparing my Loakes with my Crocketts, I can't distinguish any of the shortcomings that your analysis would suggest exist. The stitching is all accurate - it's very possibly to an almost imperceptibly coarser gauge, but that is all.

I've seen Goodyear welting done at various shoe factories - most recently at Edward Green. It's very hard to do it either 'better' or 'worse' - it's all done by a machine in about 8 seconds a shoe. 

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post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by othertravel View Post


Definitely not all C&J.

This is Loake:

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-Co.%C2%AE-Cavalry-Chukka-Ankle-Boots/161H,default,pd.html?dwvar_161H_Color=BLCK&contentpos=58&cgid=0522


C&J:

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-Co.%C2%AE-Double-Monk-Straps/MH00194,default,pd.html?dwvar_MH00194_Color=BRWN&contentpos=5&cgid=0522

You can tell the difference by looking at the font on "Peal & Co". The Loake shoes have an elongated font, whereas the C&J font is small and squarish (credit to Steve Smith for identifying this).


Wow, thanks for that. Good to have options.

post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Isbister View Post
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You're not sure they are as well made as C&J? They use the same processes, the same types of machinery. The important distinction would be that C&J use finer types of calfskin, and where any handwork is involved - e.g. burnishing - C&J can be trusted to do a better job. But in terms of construction, the Loake shoes I have are every bit as well made as my several pairs of C&Js. Some are getting on for 10 years old and have been treated quite mercilessly, yet are still in very good order. If anything, they seem almost more robust than my C&Js which, being of finer calf, tend to scratch rather easily.

 

 

 

Besides leather quality, the main difference would be that the C&J's sole is bevelled rather than stitched aloft, which creates a sleeker and more elegant design. 

 

Alongside AE and Meermin Loakes are the cats meow in terms of entry level shoes. For most SFers with kids and a mortgage (or those destined for it) they represent a point where bang for buck stops. 

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