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Poll Results: Casual Suit or Odd Jacket and Trousers

 
  • 34% (27)
    Casual Suit
  • 65% (51)
    Odd Jacket and Trousers
78 Total Votes  
post #76 of 87
IMO, it's all about the environment you find yourself in, and finding that level of sartorial excellence without going complete dandy or Jeeves. Odd Jackets, trousers, & open laced shoes are more my style. It is a product of where i live, and what makes me comfortable in this environment. Most of the people in my life are not like me, their choice of dress is typical, and i try to find a happy medium in my attempts to empathize with them. Is it not part of what being a gentlemen is all about? Well, it is for me at least...
post #77 of 87
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

Casual suit. EVERY time.   I own 4 Navy Blazers, which might get thrown on with some jeans and a tee in late spring. But the "SF Staple" look??   Not a fan.  There is a difference between "Classic" and "currently popular".   A casual suit is much more of a classic look. Because while you may find the SF staple look in old pics if you search, more commonly men would wear a suit with the formality toned down.   loose collar,loose tie knot. perhaps no P.S. and less elaborate shoes.   Suit fabric? Well, it's an individual choice. Worsted, Flannel,linen.....  Depends on how well you can pull it off.

I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "SF Staple look," but the idea that odd jacket and trousers is not a classic look is just wrong and completely unsupportable. It's fine to prefer a casual suit to odd jacket and trousers, but you can't credibly claim that odd jacket and trousers is not a classic look that has been successfully worn for decades.
post #78 of 87
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post


This may well be your opinion, which is fine, but please don't try to claim it's 'more of a classic look'. That is simply unsupportable. Meaningless. And the same for your comments about fabrics. I'd also like to see some fit pics of your 'classic looks'... and perhaps people can see for themselves if 'you can pull it off'. I'm not saying you can't, but there's been a definite pattern of people claiming to do things better than the SF norm who turn out to be only fooling themselves.

Indeed, it IS my opinion. and i stand firmly by my statements. This is an open discussion, and don't throw a tantrum when others have a differing opinion to your own.  while 90% of fits posted today featured a Navy Blazer with Grey pants. it certainly is the "Current" look for a majority of posters.ehich is fine, if that's what you want to wear. That alone does not make it the definition of "Classic Menswear". or the be all and end all of what is acceptable on a semi-casual basis. that exact look, favoured now, would make a small percentage of the fits considered stylish yet casual. whereas a multitude of suits can be worn for said purpose, providing many,many more options.- So, if six members walk into a bar, all wearing an odd (Navy?) jacket, with grey trousers. they would look pretty silly. but six members wearing individual suits, all in their own way, would look like a group of well dressed men who didn't follow the same template as each-other. this is my premise for believing the casual suit has much more to offer, and throughout the last 100 years, has been done so many ways that saying it is much more more of a classic(semi-casual)look is not unjustified.   but yeah, like others on here. I too have an opinion.- perhaps you are fooling yourself?

 

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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

IMO, it's all about the environment you find yourself in, and finding that level of sartorial excellence without going complete dandy or Jeeves. Odd Jackets, trousers, & open laced shoes are more my style. It is a product of where i live, and what makes me comfortable in this environment. Most of the people in my life are not like me, their choice of dress is typical, and i try to find a happy medium in my attempts to empathize with them. Is it not part of what being a gentlemen is all about? Well, it is for me at least...

100% agree with you. and well said, that your opinion relates to "Your style" which is cool.  Rock it your way.

 

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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post


I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "SF Staple look," but the idea that odd jacket and trousers is not a classic look is just wrong and completely unsupportable. It's fine to prefer a casual suit to odd jacket and trousers, but you can't credibly claim that odd jacket and trousers is not a classic look that has been successfully worn for decades.

You know exactly what i mean. and if you are going to quote me, at least take the time to read my post and quote it properly. Thankyou.

I never said it "Wasn't a classic look"  only that the casual suit is moreso (imho). The trend now, albeit classic. Is still somewhat contemporary. My point is that I prefer the casual suit.And feel it is more of a classic look. which is one side of this discussion right?

post #79 of 87
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

You know exactly what i mean. and if you are going to quote me, at least take the time to read my post and quote it properly. Thankyou.
I never said it "Wasn't a classic look"  only that the casual suit is moreso (imho). The trend now, albeit classic. Is still somewhat contemporary. My point is that I prefer the casual suit.And feel it is more of a classic look. which is one side of this discussion right?

I did read your post and quote it fairly. It was not entirely clear what you were referring to. It could have been the blazer and greys look / blazer with odd trousers in general / etc. Your distinction between "currently popular" and "classic" does create an inference that what is currently popular is not exactly classic. Maybe that's not quite what you meant, but it is a reasonable way of reading what you wrote. In truth, odd jackets are very much a part of classic menswear and have been for some time, with certain odd combinations predating suits. As I said earlier, I don't take issue with you preferring casual suits to odd jacket and trousers or saying you think it's a better look. Both are perfectly valid and why this thread exists. Once you justify your choice by saying that one of the options is more classic, I think you err. As I said above, both are solidly within the classic menswear realm by any reasonable definition.

With respect to the example you gave replying to FlyingMonkey, there are more than enough odd jacket and trouser combinations for 6 men to avoid looking like they are following the same template any more than if they wore suits. While there are a lot of navy blazer and grey trouser looks posted, you can do a lot more with an odd jacket and trousers than that.
post #80 of 87
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post
 

This is an open discussion, and don't throw a tantrum when others have a differing opinion to your own. 

 

I apologise, I was assuming I was talking with adults. Apparently not. Do carry on...

post #81 of 87

Been offline from the site since my last post. Thanks for the responses. Seems to have garnered much debate. 

 

@ ThriftVader - its sounds like we have similar interests on this subject. I too own 2 navy sport coats and a 3rd soon to be on the way -- super light weight for the summer. I'm at the point where Navy are the only sport coats I need, especially in NYC. 

 

I believe I misinterpreted the nature of this thread though. Initially I was reading this as "wearing a suit casually vs odd jacket and trousers" What I didn't realize was that this was intended to focus more on material or pattern, etc. No so much wearing a navy worsted suit without tie and casually, which is what I thought the poll was asking for. 

 

My points still stand however, I am totally unsubscribing to the whole (as someone else stated) dandified look. I'm reading more and more on the value of a uniform in life for both professional reasons and also to open some brain space. I am close to cycling out some very nice odd trousers (in fact a few remaining Cucinelli and Paul Smith will soon be posted). I do think environment has a lot do with it. In Europe the styling can go many ways and there is also something about the way people look at it. Like it's no big deal. NYC is a strange place were you can wind up on Madison and 65th and be severely underdressed and be on East 9th and A and look like a peacock. I do find however that a slim and sharply tailored navy or grey suit goes with both settings much easier and isn't as polarizing. Also, this is a city where women are brutally critical of what men wear. There is no other place in this country that men are so heavily scrutinized for what they are wearing by women (the same wealthy woman who's "uniform" consists of black yoga pants).

 

I understand many cannot related to this post. But as a professional self-employed individual in this city, there is nothing more degrading, personally, to wind up in an environment underdressed, which in NYC happens a hell of a lot more than I like to admit. 

 

I shudder to think that I once wore a navy sport coat with khaki trousers. Now, maybe some tailored dark/military green for the dead heat of summer, but that's about it. 


Edited by super1flavor - 2/1/15 at 7:41pm
post #82 of 87
Thread Starter 
Thought this worth bumping to discuss an interesting wrinkle I've been thinking about. Does your answer differ at all based on the season?

As a Chicago resident, I end up wearing F/W clothing during spring because that's just what makes sense in the weather, which leaves me clothes I wear for the entire year except summer and clothes I wear during the summer. F/W clothes give us great things like grey flannels, tweed, corduroy, etc. I find summer trickier for odd jackets, though, as most F/W patterns look weird in a summer weight. On the other hand, casual suits in linen and seersucker seem to give one more options (can be worn as separates but that's another matter). I clearly prefer odd jacket and trousers to casual suits in the F/W seasons, but I think it's probably dead even for me during the summer. If owning more linen and seersucker suits was practical (tough to justify when I get a lot more use out of tailored jackets in F/W), I'd probably have a few more and wear my odd jackets a bit less. Maybe one day.
post #83 of 87


Interestingly, the only time that I might wear an odd jacket is in the summer with trousers. I guess at the heart of this topic, at least for me, is the whole dandified look when separates are done in a formal setting. For example; I cannot under any circumstances wear a glen plaid (or whatever print) structured sport coat with trouser and all the fittings, tie, pocket square, belt, etc. But I can do the same in a suit and feel entirely different. Now in the summer, that's maybe the only time I will consider the odd jacket and trouser look on a much more casual basis. I have a bunch of Zanone ice cotton polos which are very luxurious and I can totally rock those, non-tucked (they fall just below waist) with a pair of navy or stone chinos and a lighter weight cotton sport coat. Does that make a little more sense from my perspective? I'm just one opinion. 

post #84 of 87
Thread Starter 
Interesting. I get a general preference for suits if one is concerned about being underdressed and can see how if you're wearing suits frequently, having a few casual suits may just be a more logical step than having odd jackets and trousers. We're all products of our experience. My perspective currently is informed by working in business casual environments, where trousers and a dress shirt are all that is required and anything else would be comparably dressed up. Aside from the occasional interview or client meeting, most of the things I dress for are more social in nature than business and thus I guess I don't mind being a bit "dandified." The odd jacket works better without a tie than most suits, so that's an advantage for when I want to wear a jacket but not a tie. If I'm going to something more formal, then I default to a conservative solid suit, shirt and tie with black shoes, but these more formal events are not the sort of thing I'd wear a casual suit (POW / tweed / seersucker / bold windowpane on a non-navy or grey background) to. I probably wear a suit 3-4 times a month and so this informs how I regard dressing up at times I don't need to wear a suit. I guess you could say I have 3 speeds:

1) Formal (Dinner jacket or solid suit, white (usually) shirt and conservative tie with white linen pocket square) - Interviews, client meetings, galas, formal networking events
2) Dressed up (Odd jacket or linen / seersucker suit (either with or without a tie) - Nice dinners, church, more casual networking events and sometimes just because
3) Casual (No jacket or tie)

To the extent we tend to dress more casually during summer, I can see how summer might be a time one would prefer odd jackets more than winter. Personally, I love tweed and a lot of fall / winter odd jacket patterns and I really don't find a lot of summer sport coats I like by comparison. So its the available fabrics that inform the decision in my case and seems like concerns about formality that inform the decision in your case.
post #85 of 87


I just simply think there are two parts to the difference in dress and our opinion; 1. Environment. New York is a weird place to dress for (where I've been 20 years), yet very straight forward when it comes to business. 2. Body type and age "appearance." I am 39 yet can look late 20's at 5'9" 155lbs and very fit with short hair, buzzed on the sides. Now put that image in a glen plaid jacket and odd trousers in downtown Manhattan. Does not compute. I've tried it and it almost always comes off as trying too hard and I see a lot of guys in New York do the same and the execution is terrible. New York is the city of a sharply tailored suit. It's just what it is, and I am pretty sure we can all agree on that much. Wearing a suit in LA and you might shot dead on the street with an acorn gun. San Francisco is the strangest place on the planet so I just pretend it actually doesn't exist and whatever sartorial things happen there, should stay there. 

post #86 of 87

..and I've now long grown out of the phase of "business casual" in the sense of just pants and a button down shirt and no jacket. I shudder at the days I wore that get up with the my building access key around my neck (with company sponsored clasp) many years ago. These days, business casual is pretty much the same dark denim jeans, navy slim sport coat and either a very good quality v-neck t-shirt (long or short sleeve), but 90% of the time, I wear with the polo. 

post #87 of 87
Thread Starter 
Perhaps not glen plaid, but you could probably pull off tweed or something like a Moonbeam fabric with denim, but then we're still in the casual realm.

I'm 29 and live in Chicago, which has its formal parts but is more casual than NYC. Theoretically as a shorter guy I should like suits more than odd jackets but I just don't care. I wore a sport coat more often when I worked in an office, but when you work from home it can be tough to put too much effort on a day where your main task away from home is grocery shopping.
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