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Poll Results: Casual Suit or Odd Jacket and Trousers

 
  • 33% (25)
    Casual Suit
  • 66% (49)
    Odd Jacket and Trousers
74 Total Votes  
post #46 of 80
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post


If true, makes me very glad to be outside both the age & location criteria. biggrin.gif

 

+1. And it makes me sad to see most grown-up men trying to look like teenagers for their whole life. There's nothing bad in being an adult and looking like one.

post #47 of 80
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Originally Posted by Holdfast View Post


If true, makes me very glad to be outside both the age & location criteria. biggrin.gif

I doubt it's true. I'm seeing a lot of people my age wearing sportcoats and ties. Saw a guy on the tube his morning wearing a nice navy DB jacket, grey trousers with cuffs, a light blue shirt and a striped navy knit tie. Something I wouldn't mind wearing myself. Of course this I purely anecdotal, but the sport coat with tie look is certainly not dead. Hell, before you know it the hipsters will jump on the bandwagon. #menswear is still on the rise.
post #48 of 80

I just turned 40 and am now staring at middle age.  cry.gif  and I enjoy wearing odd jackets and ties.  I've always thought that a well-paired odd jacket, while casual marked a sophisticated dresser.  (Thinking of some old foo pics.)  Pinkpanther's point about a suit being easier to pull off makes sense to me.  Maybe that's the rallying cry of us aging guys then, we're sophisticated enough to pull off an odd jacket combo.  Its a man's look, not for boys. 

post #49 of 80

Casual suit stands out much less for those who lives in a suit and tie environment compare to those who lives in a khaki/jeans and sweater environment.  The latter would be more suitable wearing odd jackets and pants.

post #50 of 80
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post


This leaves me to wonder how many people who are not cognoscenti of menswear are going to be able to descry the features that differentiate the casual suit from the city suit. After all, it has been mentioned several times in this thread that a great many people regard an odd jacket and tie ensemble as a "suit." And can't certain suits be on the border? My latest suit is made from a suiting hopsack rather than smooth worsted, and it has a ticket pocket, both features to pushing in the direction of "casual," but it is still conservative enough, I think, to be worn in any situation that demands a conservative suit.

I might mention that I, too, will wear an open-necked shirt with my casual suits but not my more conservative suits.


I think there's absolutely a border, and I do think one could pass between the two. In fact, if I were to buy "conservative" suits, I'd rather have a mid-gray hopsack and a mid-gray flannel than a single mid-gray worsted, because I find slightly more relaxed furnishings (silk hanks, madder or knit ties, suede shoes) more interesting than the pure "city" ones that are most at home with smooth worsted -- but that "city" look can still work with a suit in a slightly more casual texture. I re-read Vox's "Coherent Combinations" thread recently, and that was one of the things that really hit home with me.

post #51 of 80
Speaking of odd jackets and the difficulty of gray, I thought I would post this photo of Cary Grant. For such a dominant color in menswear you would think this would be a very close second to navy. I believe this jacket is made of a hopsack type of cloth and seems very versatile.
post #52 of 80
My issue with grey is that it is tough to match a light to mid-grey jacket with typical trousers (light grey, mid-grey, tan) - there is not enough contrast for me. If the jacket is darker it strays into orphan suit territory unless is has a strong pattern. I have an Boglioli in dark grey that I wear casually but it matches a lot of colours better than mid-grey.

FWIW in the picture above, the pants look ivory or dove grey. However, in the colour photo below, the jacket almost looks air force blue and the pants look dove grey (very light grey) creating more contrast.

post #53 of 80
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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

 

+1. And it makes me sad to see most grown-up men trying to look like teenagers for their whole life. There's nothing bad in being an adult and looking like one.

 

I try not to make judgements about people's lives from their appearances. If people want critique of what they are wearing, I'm happy to provide it. But wearing a suit or a jacket and tie doesn't make you a better person - and that's the main thing. So I don't feel sad about what other people chose to do, however it does make me happy to see people with a personal style that works - whatever that is.

post #54 of 80
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

I try not to make judgements about people's lives from their appearances. If people want critique of what they are wearing, I'm happy to provide it. But wearing a suit or a jacket and tie doesn't make you a better person - and that's the main thing. So I don't feel sad about what other people chose to do, however it does make me happy to see people with a personal style that works - whatever that is.

That's one of the most grounded and balanced opinions I've seen around here. Dressing well is something I do for fun, and has no other implications whatsoever. I couldn't care less what other guys are wearing, so whether people my age wear sport coats with ties or not has zero impact on me.
post #55 of 80
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

 

I try not to make judgements about people's lives from their appearances. If people want critique of what they are wearing, I'm happy to provide it. But wearing a suit or a jacket and tie doesn't make you a better person - and that's the main thing. So I don't feel sad about what other people chose to do, however it does make me happy to see people with a personal style that works - whatever that is.

 

That's not the point. What makes me sad is that people seem to be ashamed of being adults, not just what they wear (which is part of it). That doesn't mean they're worse or better individuals, just makes me sad. Most people I talk to seem to think there are only two stages in life: teenager (under 60) and old man (over 60). I think it's wonderful to be in the middle, and nothing to be ashamed of. Actually, it's me who is being accused of dressing "like an old man" when wearing a coat (even without tie), which IMHO is just dressing like an adult going to work.

post #56 of 80
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Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey View Post

I try not to make judgements about people's lives from their appearances. If people want critique of what they are wearing, I'm happy to provide it. But wearing a suit or a jacket and tie doesn't make you a better person - and that's the main thing. So I don't feel sad about what other people chose to do, however it does make me happy to see people with a personal style that works - whatever that is.

I disagree emphatically! I think dressing well does show more respect for yourself and for the world in general. I am talking about reasonable limits here. I don't think men need to don coat and tie to go to the market or anything like that, but a certain respect for decency of apparel is a mark of good character, I think. I'll just give you an example: The other night my wife and I stopped for dinner at a nearby Japanese restaurant. Sitting diagonally from me was a burly, swarthy, thuggish-looking bruiser in T-shirt and shorts. That much, I could tolerate (barely). However, he was also wearing flip-flops, which he would frequently kick off during the course of the meal so that I had to avert my eyes to avoid seeing the blackened soles of his fIlthy feet. Would I have considered him a better man had he been decently turned out? Hell, yes!



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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

That's not the point. What makes me sad is that people seem to be ashamed of being adults, not just what they wear (which is part of it). That doesn't mean they're worse or better individuals, just makes me sad. Most people I talk to seem to think there are only two stages in life: teenager (under 60) and old man (over 60). I think it's wonderful to be in the middle, and nothing to be ashamed of. Actually, it's me who is being accused of dressing "like an old man" when wearing a coat (even without tie), which IMHO is just dressing like an adult going to work.

Most of the time, I dress much the same as I did as a teenager in prep school and college (sports shirt or BD dress shirt with khakis and leather shoes), and I am now in my eighth decade.
post #57 of 80
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Most of the time, I dress much the same as I did as a teenager in prep school and college (sports shirt or BD dress shirt with khakis and leather shoes), and I am now in my eighth decade.

 

But you probably don't think a grown man going to work in coat and tie (at a place that is not out of that context, of course) is dressed like an old fogey! Why does one have to be "juvenile" at work too, what's wrong with looking like an adult professional? Alright, I work on IT, so I guess I'm beating a dead horse, but still....

 

When I'm not at work, I do dress like I did in high school.

post #58 of 80
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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

But you probably don't think a grown man going to work in coat and tie (at a place that is not out of that context, of course) is dressed like an old fogey! Why does one have to be "juvenile" at work too, what's wrong with looking like an adult professional? Alright, I work on IT, so I guess I'm beating a dead horse, but still....

When I'm not at work, I do dress like I did in high school.

Well, I did go to work in coat and tie during my final decade or so of employment, but, then, I suspect many of my younger co-workers did think I was dressed like an old fogey!
post #59 of 80

those people... tounge.gif

 

Funnily enough, in my case it's older co-workers who think I dress like an old man. Some of them wear horrid shirt-tie color schemes, or jackets with leather lapels, and think that makes them "juvenile". le sigh...

post #60 of 80

I'm resurrecting this older discussion. As someone who has grappled with this very issue for an extended period of time, I have unequivocally determined that odd trousers and sport coat are the wrong way to go. While just doing a search, I came across this thread and I was taken back by the poll results. 2/3 favor odd trousers and jacket. 

 

I suppose much of this has to do with body type; height, build, etc. Especially your environment. I'm in NYC and 5'9" and fit at about 155-160lbs and my days of pairing trousers and jackets, in fact wearing trousers alone with an outerwear piece (ugh), is coming to an end. The stream line look of a suit, in my environment, even in a casually setting is immensely better. I've now learned that if the environment calls for trousers (not withstanding cotton, etc, in summer), then a suit is far more appropriate even sans tie. Plus being 5'9", which is average height, but still on the shorter side of things, a solid suit is much more flattering (and noticed) than breaking up with odd pieces. Styleforum has been immensely helpful over the years and I've learned a lot for just about everything, even something as simple as buying a mac/raincoat and going for 100% cotton, etc. Things I would not have previously considered, at all. That said, this particular thread struck a nerve with me and while I enjoyed the discussion above, I wanted to leave a foot print for the next person doing research. Without question, I would highly suggest a casual suit and skip the odd pairing. Suits can be had on Yoox and many other places these days marked down to $500 or less for a very wearable 100% cotton or virgin wool. I should clarify; I'm going to hold on to two sport coats, navy hopsack and dark grey flannel (and considering purchasing a very dark navy paper weight cotton jacket for summer and wearing over t-shirts/polos and with jeans), but only for pairing with dark denim and boots, which is a look that I love to wear. While I am just one opinion, I'm so tired of the navy jacket/grey slacks pairing or really any other pairing you can think of. I see it all the time and it's terrible. Even trousers with a sweater is a terrible look in my opinion these days. I suppose in summer this restriction can be lifted a touch, with some lighter weight cotton slacks and bright sport coat, but that's also dangerous since clothing tends to wrinkle with temps and sweating, so I still think there is much power is a very light weight -- light grey 100% summer weight wool suit. I've spent years crossing these lines of formal and casual i.e. wearing odd trousers with sport coat and I have some gorgeous shoes, but that's also been the problem. Wearing a balmoral or oxford (or shudder -- loafers) with odd trousers and jacket looks like you're trying too hard. Boots and brogues and it's just a jarring look for someone like me. It's a confused look. I've also learned this look really only works on a certain, much older demographic. Anyway for the next reader (if you're in a major metropolitan city), save your money, stick with a casual suit and some sharp oxford/balmoral shoes. 

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