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That's a favorite of mine too, Macallan.  Surprisingly, Grant is nearly 80 in this photo:

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post #17 of 70
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Supposedly JFK buttoned the bottom button to hide his back brace. I've heard it from a couple of sources but can't provide original evidence that this is the case.

Would make a lot of sense. He really didn't like to make his back issues too obvious.
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Who was 47 years younger cool.gif

 

Btw, Will of A Suitable Wardrobe had a feature, back in 2007, on JFK's paddock suit: http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2007/06/jfks-paddock-model-jackets.html

post #19 of 70
Cameron is not a sharp dresser but he is very sartorially conservative...rimshot.gif

Efficient and clean..

I hate the Teal and the Green ones..
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Cameron is not a sharp dresser but he is very sartorially conservative...rimshot.gif

Efficient and clean..

I hate the Teal and the Green ones..

 

I agree.  I much prefer the navy tie.  I'm reminded of a brilliant post Vox once made on how the components of an outfit (suit, shirt, tie, shoes, socks) should all align on the same part of the city/country spectrum.  So not only does Cameron wear a green (country color) tie with a city suit; to make it even more discordant, he wears it with a black suit.

post #21 of 70
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Originally Posted by CrimsonSox View Post

I agree.  I much prefer the navy tie.  I'm reminded of a brilliant post Vox once made on how the components of an outfit (suit, shirt, tie, shoes, socks) should all align on the same part of the city/country spectrum.  So not only does Cameron wear a green (country color) tie with a city suit; to make it even more discordant, he wears it with a black suit.

He is Conservative hence the blue tones...
post #22 of 70
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Looks like the above wasn't the first time that Cameron wore a green tie.  Stephen Harper also seems to have reached for a rather questionable tie that morning.

 

 

Notably, Cameron or his staff make better tie choices when he sees the Queen:

 

 

 

My takeaway is that even though the navy tie is more "boring," it is the better choice to go with the navy city suit, compared to the more "interesting," higher contrast green tie.  Other ties besides navy can work too, but the key is that it is no criticism that the navy tie is supposedly "boring."

 

Pretty amazing to think that Elizabeth was the Queen when Winston Churchill was Prime Minister (in his second term back in office during the 1950s).


Edited by CrimsonSox - 8/22/13 at 3:03am
post #23 of 70

Sorry to have missed this thread.

 

What would people say are the parameters for 'navy on navy' working well?

 

Mine:

 

  • Shade as close as possible or sufficiently different (not 'similar').
  • High contrast with shirt (if not white, then very pale blue or pale blue / white bengal).
  • Textural contrast advisable.

 

Manton getting it* right:

 

 

*EDIT: typo corrected.


Edited by Balfour - 9/21/13 at 5:41am
post #24 of 70
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The paddock coat thing is mostly an internet myth. It started as speculation with somebody trying to explain why, Kennedy, being generally a snappy dresser, was breaking such a basic rule. They couldn't find an explanation, so they dug up something obscure about the coat itself to explain it. But his coats don't look special to my eye (you'll notice that paddock suit link shows a suit that's essentially a 3 button without the bottom button, which Kennedy's decidedly is not), they just have the somewhat higher buttoning points popular in the 50s and 60's.

Absolutely. JFK had severe back problems and often had to wear braces and other orthopaedic supports. I bet the oddly buttoned jacket was his way of hiding that.
post #25 of 70
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Beautiful example from Manton and analysis by Balfour.  I find that a navy grenadine or knit tie (like the one worn by RL in the original post) can provide the textual context that Balfour recommends.   
 
The hardest part is getting the shades of the two navies as close as possible, as in this outfit by Sean Connery (the source is the excellent website, The Suits of James Bond: http://thesuitsofjamesbond.com/?p=171).  When Connery wears navy on navy, he follows Balfour's advice of selecting either a high contrast white shirt or a very pale blue shirt.
 

 

 

 
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Sorry to have missed this thread.

 

What would people say are the parameters for 'navy on navy' working well?

 

Mine:

 

  • Shade as close as possible or sufficiently different (not 'similar').
  • High contrast with shirt (if not white, then very pale blue or pale blue / white bengal).
  • Textural contrast advisable.

 

Manton getting in right:

 

post #26 of 70

The Connery Bond look was what I had in mind, actually, when saying as close as possible.

 

This is a close up of what I meant by sufficiently different: slate grenadine against navy worsted (with very pale blue narrow bengal reducing to solid at a few feet away):

 

post #27 of 70

There isn't much about Cameron that isn't tasteless.

post #28 of 70
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Originally Posted by archibaldleach View Post

IIRC, Kennedy wore a style of jacket that was designed for both buttons to be buttoned, which is a relative rarity. I'm not sure Cameron is doing the same thing.
Paddock jacket, I think it was called.
post #29 of 70
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post
 

The Connery Bond look was what I had in mind, actually, when saying as close as possible.

 

This is a close up of what I meant by sufficiently different: slate grenadine against navy worsted (with very pale blue narrow bengal reducing to solid at a few feet away):

 

 

Another example of the tones being sufficiently different is a navy-grey tie worn with a navy suit.  The grey in the tie adds just enough contrast, but the dark blue shade of it matches the suit. It's a very hard color of tie to find, though I've seen Turnbull and Asser carry it.

 

 

post #30 of 70
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Following on Balfour's advice to vary the texture, here's a picture of Fred Astaire in Silk Stockings wearing what I believe is a navy knit (or perhaps grenadine) tie:

 

 

Another way to vary navy-on-navy is to have a simple white dot or stripe in the tie, which picks up the white of the shirt.  I prefer smaller pindots, but here's Emperor Akihito with a polka dot tie:

 

 

Source: http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-17197195/emperor-akihito-and-empress-michiko-visit-the

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