In case it needs any clarification, I wasn't trying to make some subtle (really, passive aggressive) pitch for changing the fit of either shirt. I realize not every off-the-rack item is going to fit. The Ingleses are just so nice ... I'm glad they work for everyone else, really!
Also, kopped the Rota herringbone flannel.
Not everyone- snug chest & shoulders, way big collar. Very nice shirts, but far from ideal fit (for me).
Rota's, otoh, are