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I'm confused by this. Maybe it's just the use of "yet" as which I'm guessing is just result of fast typing and no editing (which is often how I post). If not, I don't understand why it's the conjunction here. And while I have no doubt that as a general rule people who fit standard definitions of attractiveness do better in workplace and other social settings, saying 2/3 of women are discriminated against seems like a broad statement that's hard to pin down. Discriminated against in the sense of how often they get promoted when compared to the 33% of other women? Or something else?

Oh. Yeah. I didn't mean to say that all 67% face workplace discrimination.

Many have, and do, I don't think anyone disputes that. I'm just unsure how anyone can look at a plus-size clothing retailer that says its customer base is routinely discriminated against, made to feel unattractive, underrepresented in media, etc., and Hey look, today 67% of our pictures are of real, plus-sized women! and be unsettled by it, believing it to be an extension of a *fat is healthy* line of thinking that barely anyone, and certainly not their average customer, subscribes to.
post #5402 of 5588
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

Well, the average woman is overweight. The TV women you mention as nearer to average are the ones geared towards male sexuality and viewership; they have the golden waist-hip ratio and are deemed imminently effable even if technically plus-sized.

It might still be the stereotypical supermodel waif fueling body discomfort/eating disorders, etc, as womens' ideas of what men find attractive are always proven to be off-base, but I dunno.

Do you think that's changing?

The average Italian or French woman is not overweight and these are the two main places where fashion brands are based and runway shows are held. This is especially true if you think of urban dwellers who walk a lot during the day.

If the 20th century has proven something it is that even mass culture couldn't completely eliminate the diversity of what people find attractive. It has also shown that while the male gaze may influence women beauty ideals, the opinion of the average dude on the street barely registers.


Note: these two nations are also heading to fatland.
post #5403 of 5588
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

Oh. Yeah. I didn't mean to say that all 67% face workplace discrimination.

Many have, and do, I don't think anyone disputes that. I'm just unsure how anyone can look at a plus-size clothing retailer that says its customer base is routinely discriminated against, made to feel unattractive, underrepresented in media, etc., and Hey look, today 67% of our pictures are of real, plus-sized women! and be unsettled by it, believing it to be an extension of a *fat is healthy* line of thinking that barely anyone, and certainly not their average customer, subscribes to.

If 67% of women are fat then the general populace has obviously concluded fat is at the very least not unhealthy. I mean look at the the decline in smoking due to public health education. Unlike smoking fatness is being positively advocated for.

Btw, "made to feel unattractive?" Again, except for certain non-normative tastes, being fat is not attractive. One should not take active steps to make fat people, people mind you not just women, feel unattractive but we need to face the facts that fatness is not attractive.
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I don't understand insisting people find you attractive but I understand even less "fat is healthy" . I mean this is a pretty observable thing and I have never heard of any study that concludes that.

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I don't understand insisting people find you attractive but I understand even less "fat is healthy" . I mean this is a pretty observable thing and I have never heard of any study that concludes that.


There are plenty of studies that says that calorie restriction leads to longevity. They believe that excessive calories lead to a lot of problems. There can be other reasons why people are fat... but in most cases they eat too much and unhealthy. Processed food like sugar!

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We should force everyone with post counts below 100 who want to post in CE to start with the State Farm thread.

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

If 67% of women are fat then the general populace has obviously concluded fat is at the very least not unhealthy. I mean look at the the decline in smoking due to public health education. Unlike smoking fatness is being positively advocated for.

Btw, "made to feel unattractive?" Again, except for certain non-normative tastes, being fat is not attractive. One should not take active steps to make fat people, people mind you not just women, feel unattractive but we need to face the facts that fatness is not attractive.


I mean, really: What bearing should what you find attractive have on women's shopping tendencies, or their ability to feel good in the clothes that fit them? Or really, anything outside your own onanistic fervor?

It all feels very disengenuous. If you just want to throw rocks at fat people, fine. But the existence of fat people doesn't mean anyone concluded it's healthy. This is really what you're claiming? That the site you linked to doesn't explicitly say that fat is healthy, so the existence of its customer base makes it so? Because...people don't smoke anymore, which was... shown to be...unhealthy?

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If we did want to go down that rabbit hole, though, it took decades for people to quit smoking (many still do). The obesity epidemic didn't co-exist with huge smoking rates, either. That came later -- and will take just as long to dwindle... Not that eating and smoking are remotely the same.

In the meantime, people still have to wear clothes. Presumably, they'd like to feel happy in them.

I rarely check out the CM threads, but do you make the same arguments against the hoardes of fat lawyers extolling the virtues of happy socks? Does CM promote the idea that fat is healthy because its average-looking fatties dance around in their bright suits expertly crafted to fit their love handles and say, Woo, look at me! Life is good! ???
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It doesnt matter what piob or any other person tastes are but i would point to 2 main reasons why this whole fat acceptance is not only silly bu damaging to women 1. Health 2. Choice of partners, for fat women it's always much smaller choice since vast majority of men find fat women less attractive or just ugly. Both these things deteriorate life quality and happiness, this should not be encouraged. This does not mean you should be asshole to fatties on daily basis though ofc.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

It doesnt matter what piob or any other person tastes are but i would point to 2 main reasons why this whole fat acceptance is not only silly bu damaging to women 1. Health 2. Choice of partners, for fat women it's always much smaller choice since vast majority of men find fat women less attractive or just ugly. Both these things deteriorate life quality and happiness, this should not be encouraged. This does not mean you should be asshole to fatties on daily basis though ofc.

Is it silly and damaing to men? I mean fat dudes are dime a dozen also, no? I know you pollacks sometimes skip meal because of your alcoholism but still...
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Fat acceptance is overall more damaging to women, as her worth in societies is usually more defendant on looks but contrary to what a feminist moron like you might think it's not because of vast secret conspiracy of evil patriarchy to control and oppress womyn but biological realities of our species. But irregardless of genitals of the fatty overall it's bad,reason why i singled out women is because they are the primary targets of these pro-fat or healthy at any size campaigns. I hope that clear is it up for you.
Edited by wojt - 10/18/16 at 9:05am
post #5411 of 5588
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

I mean, really: What bearing should what you find attractive have on women's shopping tendencies, or their ability to feel good in the clothes that fit them? Or really, anything outside your own onanistic fervor?

I like the way you string together unrelated things and then claim I made an assertion. It's a great way rhetorical device.

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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

It all feels very disengenuous. If you just want to throw rocks at fat people, fine. But the existence of fat people doesn't mean anyone concluded it's healthy. This is really what you're claiming? That the site you linked to doesn't explicitly say that fat is healthy, so the existence of its customer base makes it so? Because...people don't smoke anymore, which was... shown to be...unhealthy?

Specifically not just throwing rocks at fat people. Several statements made that would have made this clear to anyone but a person basically set on disagreeing with me just because it's me. Also, I have previously linked to sites claiming specifically that being morbidly obese is not unhealthy. By basing your denial around a single site, one I never claimed made the assertion you are denying, is specious.
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

If we did want to go down that rabbit hole, though, it took decades for people to quit smoking (many still do). The obesity epidemic didn't co-exist with huge smoking rates, either. That came later -- and will take just as long to dwindle... Not that eating and smoking are remotely the same.

It's not like research into diet, exercise, and weight is a new thing. Speaking of disingenuous this attempt at rebut is textbook.
Edited by Piobaire - 10/18/16 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Fat acceptance is overall more damaging to women, as her worth in societies is usually more defendant on looks but contrary to what a feminist moron like you might think it's not because of vast secret conspiracy of evil patriarchy to control and oppress womyn but biological realities of our species. But irregardless of genitals of the fatty overall it's bad. I hope that clear is it up for you.

Your gene pool could use a little chlorine.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Fat acceptance is overall more damaging to women, as her worth in societies is usually more defendant on looks but contrary to what a feminist moron like you might think it's not because of vast secret conspiracy of evil patriarchy to control and oppress womyn but biological realities of our species. But irregardless of genitals of the fatty overall it's bad. I hope that clear is it up for you.

Your gene pool could use a little chlorine.

So could the shithole you live in,

no wait it let's not take chances make it the whole district
post #5414 of 5588
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Fat acceptance is overall more damaging to women, as her worth in societies is usually more defendant on looks but contrary to what a feminist moron like you might think it's not because of vast secret conspiracy of evil patriarchy to control and oppress womyn but biological realities of our species. I hope that clear is it up for you.

What century do you live in?
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

So could the shithole you live in,

no wait it let's not take chances make it the whole district

BTW read this:
https://www.amazon.com/Women-As-Lovers-Elfriede-Jelinek/dp/1852422378
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