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post #5236 of 5582
I said it's more expensive and far less convenient to eat healthy, which it is.
post #5237 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

I said it's more expensive and far less convenient to eat healthy, which it is.

If you're stuck in an airport or a mall or something where prepared, packaged food is the only option, this is somewhat true.
Less so if you have the opportunity to shop and cook for yourself. But if you're raised or live in an environment where thinking about nutrition and making smart choices aren't common, the ingrained habits and psychological messaging can be a genuine mental barrier to overcome.
post #5238 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

I said it's more expensive and far less convenient to eat healthy, which it is.

Let's review what you said, as very conveniently, the words you previously typed remain on the Netwebs:
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That''s just poor diet, poor food options, increasing poverty, lack of time, laziness, or some combination of the above. I've never met anyone -- even SJWs -- who bought into the metabolic whatever thing. Patriarchy and body issues, sure...

First, there is nothing about "convenient" in your original assertion so we have some goal posts getting moved.

Second, it is not more expensive to eat healthy. That's just plain wrong.

So to summarize:

Logical Fallacy.
Incorrect factually.
post #5239 of 5582
Agreed...

I find it difficult just to have a job and a life and eat healthy without repeating the same few meals over and over.

I get that you can buy salad materials and so forth at the regular supermarket, but once you expand your definition of healthy to include food that's not drenched in hundreds of hormone-disrupting or cancer/illness-causing chemicals and whatnot, it gets really depressing.
post #5240 of 5582
Piob, take a breath, man!

Poor food options, lack of funds, lack of time, etc. can all be grouped under convenience.

I'm sure when you were losing weight, it felt less convenient than eating your fatty-pants diet -- otherwise, you wouldn't have contrasted your valient struggles with the laziness of....feminists.

Also, you mentioned childhood obesity, and relying on someone else for your health is the least convenient option of all.
post #5241 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

Agreed...

I find it difficult just to have a job and a life and eat healthy without repeating the same few meals over and over.

I get that you can buy salad materials and so forth at the regular supermarket, but once you expand your definition of healthy to include food that's not drenched in hundreds of hormone-disrupting or cancer/illness-causing chemicals and whatnot, it gets really depressing.

Well, dismissing what you can get at a regular supermarket as "salad materials" illustrates part of the problem. Fresh produce (greens, but also sweet potatoes, onions/garlic/carrots/eggplant/peppers/tomatoes/whatever you like), beans, rice (or any of a number of other grains), dairy (if you eat it), a few spices, oil, and you have a variety of vegetarian options. Depending on what you do or don't eat, nut butter, tuna, chicken/beef other than popular over-prepared cuts like boneless chicken breasts, and seafood can all be additional protein sources and general variety. For when I'm in a rush, I keep in the freezer sauteed frozen fish filets from Trader Joe's or Ralphs that taste fine and don't cost much more per serving than a McD fish sandwich. Most of those things come in organic/non-GMO/gluten-free varieties or with trigger warning labels to suit whatever faddish definition of health one decides to chase.
post #5242 of 5582
Rice, cabbage, beans, legumes...we have the basis of an inexpensive and healthy diet right there.

If my wife and I can both work 50'ish hours a week and eat healthy then poor folks working on average under 20 hours per week (see below) can certainly take the time to make some healthy grub.

I've gone down this path more than once with people that want to believe eating healthy is only the purview of the affluent and I've come to realize there's no convincing people unless they want to think beyond "common wizdumb."

post #5243 of 5582
@lawyerdad -- Yeah, that pretty much describes what's in my wheelhouse at the moment.

I still find it mostly difficult to get filled up on that stuff, lug it around to work, etc. There's definitely a learning curve -- and even if common wizdm says you'll lose a taste for sugar or find good food as satisfying as a Chilito, well, that has definitely not been my experience.

I still find myself seeking out those tumblrs and webby sites for more healthy options that don't totally suck.

Mostly, though, now that I'm freshly married with kids on the horizon, I'm trying to learn all the rest -- not just caloric woes, or nutritional needs, but like the nuts and bolts of what *won't* fuck up your progeny. People at work who eat 'healthy': a woman who recently discovered she had the testosterone of a 'roided out high school football player; a guy in his twenties with no testosterone; someone's kid who got her period at age nine. And then the unexplained skyrocketing autism, and random things like that. It's crazy. (And, as it turns out, unrelated to our faddish fixations, things like gluten).

You wish this stuff was filed under common knowledge, as it'd be much easier.

@Piob, I dunno, man. "If me, a rich white man can do it, everyone can, and I don't even listen anymore!", while funny, does strike me as a bit short-sighted.

Like I imagine you pulling out that too-easily at-the-ready poverty graph and foisting it at the fat janitor who complains about the cafeteria. laugh.gif
post #5244 of 5582

Setting aside the validity of things like "cancer causing chemicals" every grocery has "organic" food and "Non-GMO" food.  Chicken as an example, is legally required to be hormone free.

I don't find it at all difficult.  In fact, my wife and I generally don't eat out much.  For lunch, I typically make something that easily re-heatable every Sunday for the whole week.  It might be homemade soup or chili or red pasta sauce.  It generally takes two or three hours to do it. 

post #5245 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post


@Piob, I dunno, man. "If me, a rich white man can do it, everyone can, and I don't even listen anymore!", while funny, does strike me as a bit short-sighted.

Like I imagine you pulling out that too-easily at-the-ready poverty graph and foisting it at the fat janitor who complains about the cafeteria. laugh.gif

You really are not too good at thinking, are you? It's okay. As I said, no convincing anyone that's immune to data.
post #5246 of 5582
You told us that people who work less earn less money. Let's not get too snarky, now.
post #5247 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

@lawyerdad -- Yeah, that pretty much describes what's in my wheelhouse at the moment.

I still find it mostly difficult to get filled up on that stuff, lug it around to work, etc. There's definitely a learning curve -- and even if common wizdm says you'll lose a taste for sugar or find good food as satisfying as a Chilito, well, that has definitely not been my experience.

I still find myself seeking out those tumblrs and webby sites for more healthy options that don't totally suck.

Mostly, though, now that I'm freshly married with kids on the horizon, I'm trying to learn all the rest -- not just caloric woes, or nutritional needs, but like the nuts and bolts of what *won't* fuck up your progeny. People at work who eat 'healthy': a woman who recently discovered she had the testosterone of a 'roided out high school football player; a guy in his twenties with no testosterone; someone's kid who got her period at age nine. And then the unexplained skyrocketing autism, and random things like that. It's crazy. (And, as it turns out, unrelated to our faddish fixations, things like gluten).

You wish this stuff was filed under common knowledge, as it'd be much easier.

@Piob, I dunno, man. "If me, a rich white man can do it, everyone can, and I don't even listen anymore!", while funny, does strike me as a bit short-sighted.

Like I imagine you pulling out that too-easily at-the-ready poverty graph and foisting it at the fat janitor who complains about the cafeteria. laugh.gif

YMMV may vary, but my anecdotal experience is that over time deliberate eating choices effect your appetites. I can definitely still enjoy the occasional bit of junk food, but a lot of super-processed crap that I used to love genuinely disgusts me. Even stuff that still appeals to me isn't stuff I go around craving -- it's more like I'm at a party and "of fuck year, I haven't had Oreos in like two years". Having been in a couple of long-term relationships with vegetarian/pescatarian gals, along with some health considerations, have gotten me comfortable with an absence of meat being a pretty normal mealtime thing. I still eat some sort of warmed up animal flesh at least a few times a week, but don't think twice about going several days without it. There was a time that would have been unthinkable.
post #5248 of 5582
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

You told us that people who work less earn less money. Let's not get too snarky, now.

Once again, let's review what you claimed as to why these folks cannot eat in a healthy fashion. You said, "Lack of time." What did you mean by this exactly if not "hours spent working?"

I pointed out a very inexpensive and healthy dietary base. You ignored it.

As I said, just ignore anything that gets in the way of your opinion. It's a very easy way to feel correct.
post #5249 of 5582
Well, maybe we could both take that advice. I wasn't trying to argue with you, or dismiss your claims -- I do agree that more time, for whatever reason, should make it easier to eat 'healthy', however you define it. I agree there are better options than junk food at the regular supermarket, and that should make it easier to lose weight, no matter your circumstance, if that's your goal.

I said there are are a number of factors that make healthy eating more difficult for everyone -- including laziness.

Speaking generally, I do think there are a lot of mechanisms in place that make eating healthy less convenient, but not impossible. I just pointed out a few of them. Otherwise, everyone would fit the current beauty standards, be healthy, and look amazing naked.

But no, I don't think one tautological graph showing that people who work fewer hours earn less money paints a complete picture. That would be lazy thinking. There would be so many other factors at play -- are these people riding the bus to the grocery store, but walking across the street to Taco Bell? Are there healthier stores and restaurants in their area, or is that mostly the province of the rich? What kind of food education have they had? Are there cultural eating differences? What's their peer group like? Are they taking care of kids, or are they kids themselves?

What do I mean by *these people*?
post #5250 of 5582
I used to love me some Taco Bell.
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