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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


No food, no peace.

Here's an article written by Triggly's co-speaker at the event: http://daily.swarthmore.edu/2014/04/23/op-ed-fat-justice-responds/
I have a hard time believing that she was getting so harassed she had to leave only to have a random SUV full of five men pull up and do the same.

 

Why not just speak to the manager or the waitress or whatever?  I can't imagine a restaurant would tolerate that.  Then again, people lead rich fantasy lives.

post #5207 of 5646
I could see some drunk guys being idiots to her in the diner but I figure the odds of walking out of that only to have a random SUV full of guys drive up, yells some insults at her, then just drive away? Yeah...
post #5208 of 5646
As a parent, it saddens me that these young ladies that seemingly have mental health issues are prodded on and encouraged by their peers, rather than having them look at what the root of there issues may actually be. A young woman in her 20's, that is pushing 250lb and thinks its OK, will probably be close to 300-400lbs in her 50's and probably won't see her 60's. I understand that not every woman has to be 5'8" and 105lbs but these girls are deep into obesity territory. All these "warriors" that are agreeing with them, that you can be obese and healthy, that the weight gain is not their fault etc, will they be there to help when she gets diabetes, high blood pressure, joint disease etc? How do the parents not work with these girls and tell them what they are doing to themselves is a slow suicide?


Here is one response from the linked article:

"-For me, fat struggles have always been related to shadeism and sexism, because I was constantly told to be thin and light-skinned in order to attract men (especially men with high earning potential, so throw in classism too). So I really appreciate your bridging the discussion of various types of oppression, because for a lot of people they are linked."

Who was constantly telling her to be thin and lighter skinned confused.gif Why was her reaction to this "microagression" to eat herself into obesity?


Here is another gem :

7. In countries where fat is considered the ideal, although they are harder to find these days as western values spread ever further outwards, the relationship between higher weight and hypertension, diabetes etc are much reduced or disappear altogether. This raises the question of whether it is the weight that is the problem or the ongoing war on fat people.

There is no country where an averaged sized human weighing 100-200 pounds over the average weight for their size is ideal. So hypertension is caused by the war on fat people confused.gif
post #5209 of 5646
I have a morbidly obese lesbian friend from high school and she is deep into this shit. She works at a women's "health" clinic and deals with things like "people living in large bodies" and "non-judgmental yoga for people living in large bodies." I find this concept of creating the body as some randomly assigned vessel for the person is highly damaging and exacerbates the problem of allowing actual medical science to penetrate their adipose lined brains. She is sincerely convinced being morbidly obese is not a barrier to health, does not cause Type II diabetes, etc. It's frightening the level of denial and even more frightening she is seen as a "health educator" and mentor for young women.
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

As a parent, it saddens me that these young ladies that seemingly have mental health issues are prodded on and encouraged by their peers, rather than having them look at what the root of there issues may actually be. A young woman in her 20's, that is pushing 250lb and thinks its OK, will probably be close to 300-400lbs in her 50's and probably won't see her 60's. I understand that not every woman has to be 5'8" and 105lbs but these girls are deep into obesity territory. All these "warriors" that are agreeing with them, that you can be obese and healthy, that the weight gain is not their fault etc, will they be there to help when she gets diabetes, high blood pressure, joint disease etc? How do the parents not work with these girls and tell them what they are doing to themselves is a slow suicide?


Here is one response from the linked article:

"-For me, fat struggles have always been related to shadeism and sexism, because I was constantly told to be thin and light-skinned in order to attract men (especially men with high earning potential, so throw in classism too). So I really appreciate your bridging the discussion of various types of oppression, because for a lot of people they are linked."

Who was constantly telling her to be thin and lighter skinned confused.gif Why was her reaction to this "microagression" to eat herself into obesity?


Here is another gem :

7. In countries where fat is considered the ideal, although they are harder to find these days as western values spread ever further outwards, the relationship between higher weight and hypertension, diabetes etc are much reduced or disappear altogether. This raises the question of whether it is the weight that is the problem or the ongoing war on fat people.

There is no country where an averaged sized human weighing 100-200 pounds over the average weight for their size is ideal. So hypertension is caused by the war on fat people confused.gif

 

I thought people should be well tanned - I thought pale was gross.

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I have a morbidly obese lesbian friend from high school and she is deep into this shit. She works at a women's "health" clinic and deals with things like "people living in large bodies" and "non-judgmental yoga for people living in large bodies." I find this concept of creating the body as some randomly assigned vessel for the person is highly damaging and exacerbates the problem of allowing actual medical science to penetrate their adipose lined brains. She is sincerely convinced being morbidly obese is not a barrier to health, does not cause Type II diabetes, etc. It's frightening the level of denial and even more frightening she is seen as a "health educator" and mentor for young women.

 

It is a symptom of a similar trend all across the board: people aren't responsible for their own choices/outcomes.  It is, I think the real cultural war going on (not religion vs atheism or east vs west or anything else).  The most real and pressing culture war going on is the personal responsibility vs shared responsibility (individualism vs collectivism).  A growing number of people, especially the young, don't want to accept individual responsibility.  They feel they have been dealt a crappy hand or whatever, and it isn't their fault and they don't have choices.

 

So this I just "live in a large body" mentality is just another manifestation of that fact.

post #5211 of 5646
It's that plus an overreaction to bullying and the social stigma of being fat. Which I have a lot of sympathy for - our society can be horrible to fat people. But taking it so far to be in total denial of the ill effects of obesity is not helping either
post #5212 of 5646
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

It's that plus an overreaction to bullying and the social stigma of being fat. Which I have a lot of sympathy for - our society can be horrible to fat people. But taking it so far to be in total denial of the ill effects of obesity is not helping either


I agree; however, let's be honest, especially places like high school basically everyone gets bullied for something.

post #5213 of 5646
Being a former fatty I have little patience for the fatties that don't own it. I always owned it and was pretty up front the reason I was fat was because I ate and drink too much and didn't exercise enough. I just decided not carrying all that extra weight for my health was worth the work of losing it. I think once people start convincing themselves they are powerless, the reason they're fat is because of fat shaming, etc., they are lost.

I actually do feel bad for folks that hear nasty comments directed at them in public at random; no one really deserves that. I do draw a distinction between that and what happens to folks like jigglypuff on the Net though as they put it out there the way they do so you have to deal with it when it happens. It can't be a "look at me" thing and then you get upset when someone actually does look at you.
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I thought people should be well tanned - I thought pale was gross.
Maybe back in the 1970's before skin cancer was invented.
post #5215 of 5646
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post


Maybe back in the 1970's before skin cancer was invented.



Damn it!  I'm a pale, scrawny nerd.  I missed being the cool kid in high school by like a decade.

post #5216 of 5646
I'm not sure the best course of action is to mock fat people online, though...
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

I'm not sure the best course of action is to mock fat people online, though...

As I read it, most posters in this conversation (not including myself) are not mocking fat people for being fat, but rather mocking the rather absurd positions advanced by or on behalf of (speaking loosely, anyway) a subset of fat people.
post #5218 of 5646
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Originally Posted by noob in 89 View Post

I'm not sure the best course of action is to mock fat people online, though...

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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

As I read it, most posters in this conversation (not including myself) are not mocking fat people for being fat, but rather mocking the rather absurd positions advanced by or on behalf of (speaking loosely, anyway) a subset of fat people.

Pretty much this and that I also think it is a net positive to shut down the crazies that are basically facilitating self harm in others in terms of propagating garbage like the thought morbid obesity does not hugely (excuse the pun) negatively impact health status and that there is no medical science indicating it's a negative. "Metabolic fitness" is another piece of shit concept along this line. So one in tens of thousands of fatties has good blood work and can run a 5k? Suddenly every fattie thinks they're "metabolically fit."
post #5219 of 5646
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Pretty much this and that I also think it is a net positive to shut down the crazies that are basically facilitating self harm in others in terms of propagating garbage like the thought morbid obesity does not hugely (excuse the pun) negatively impact health status and that there is no medical science indicating it's a negative. "Metabolic fitness" is another piece of shit concept along this line. So one in tens of thousands of fatties has good blood work and can run a 5k? Suddenly every fattie thinks they're "metabolically fit."
That is some phat analysis.
post #5220 of 5646
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

As I read it, most posters in this conversation (not including myself) are not mocking fat people for being fat, but rather mocking the rather absurd positions advanced by or on behalf of (speaking loosely, anyway) a subset of fat people.

Well, I mean they're not posting gifs of their positions; they're making memes out of their most unflattering photos.

I dunno. Is there any real danger of these unfortunately unbalanced people influencing the next generation? I haven't found much evidence of that.
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