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I guess. The better question might be why it's getting indulged on campus. An extension of the trend towards gutlessly pandering to students, or do a faculty really agree with this stuff? It's hard to believe that there could really be widespread agreement with shielding students from any and all negative emotions, but maybe I don't understand the modern college faculty outside of STEM.



Most (though not all) are coming from small liberal arts schools.  Perhaps those schools are going with "all publicity is good publicity."

post #4817 of 5586
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This is another thing where everyone gets it wrong. The student is only part of "the customer." Society is the other part, but being more diffuse, does not get paid attention to.


Society is only a customer because we're all paying for those degrees via government loans and grants.

post #4818 of 5586
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Society is only a customer because we're all paying for those degrees via government loans and grants.

That's part of it but not all of it. Post-secondary education has a role in society in terms of providing knowledge workers.
post #4819 of 5586
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That's part of it but not all of it. Post-secondary education has a role in society in terms of providing knowledge workers.


I don't think society at large should get a say at how a university or college runs itself (except public universities where society should have a limited say).  How does such a large and diffuse group get their say?
 

I agree there are positive externalities of a university (as well as negative), which is an argument for subsidizing them.  However, if something changes where the university is no longer providing as many positive externalities, society should reduce their subsidy rather than try to directly control or change policy.  As an example, it seems a lot more efficient to reduce student loan subsidies or cut state aid for universities for universities that start churning out a high percentage of useless graduates (although ideally, if that happens it would naturally run its course as future students wise up).

post #4820 of 5586
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Personally I think this is just the culmination of trends/changes in the academy that started decades ago. The third wave feminism of the 1990s was the beginning of the end .

No it was long before that. You can at least go back to the student movements of the 60s that triumphed by the end of the decade. Even better, trace it to international communism in the early Soviet era.

If you wanna get real historical, it all goes back to the French revolution.
post #4821 of 5586
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I don't think society at large should get a say at how a university or college runs itself (except public universities where society should have a limited say).  How does such a large and diffuse group get their say?

Does a customer necessarily "have their say?" I don't think that's a necessary condition in anything but the most abstract terms.
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No it was long before that. You can at least go back to the student movements of the 60s that triumphed by the end of the decade. Even better, trace it to international communism in the early Soviet era.

If you wanna get real historical, it all goes back to the French revolution.

Yeah, that's why I referred to the "culmination" and said it started "decades ago." I agree with the 60s comment. The 90s third wave feminism on campuses is what I would delineate as the beginning of the end game we're seeing today.
post #4822 of 5586
Students could also voice their opinion with their (own, parents, or loaned) money and go to a different school.
post #4823 of 5586
Surprised no one has commented on Jabba's, "BUT THIS IS FREE SPEECH!!!" when told she might be asked to leave.
post #4824 of 5586
coming from country where education is funded from taxes I think it has some advantages over private funding
1. social mobility for plebs
2. student is a necessary evil not customer and you can't get away with being a dick to your teacher, you will get ignored at best

Overall I think state funding for education seems to be a good thing, however with current state of US schools I'd probably wouldn't be in favour state founded education, unless it would only include STEM fields. If you asked me wheter id like my taxes to go to women studies or funding weapons for jihadi rebels in Syria then I'd have to seriously think about it what is worse.
post #4825 of 5586
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Germaine Greer

I like this broad:

“I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat but that doesn’t turn me into a f***ing cocker spaniel.
post #4826 of 5586
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Surprised no one has commented on Jabba's, "BUT THIS IS FREE SPEECH!!!" when told she might be asked to leave.

I noticed that, but the stupidity of people equating "free speech" with the freedom to shout others down or to be free from any consequences that might follow from the drivel you spout is so ubiquitous that bothering to point it out kind of bores me.
post #4827 of 5586
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

No it was long before that. You can at least go back to the student movements of the 60s that triumphed by the end of the decade. Even better, trace it to international communism in the early Soviet era.

If you wanna get real historical, it all goes back to the French revolution.


It's been around for a while.

Silencing non-pc opinions with hissing and shouting was certainly a tactic when I was in law school back in the early 1990's.
post #4828 of 5586
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I noticed that, but the stupidity of people equating "free speech" with the freedom to shout others down or to be free from any consequences that might follow from the drivel you spout is so ubiquitous that bothering to point it out kind of bores me.

Yes, but it's usually low information righties yelling this. It's just refreshing to see leftwing feminazi Jabba doing it.
post #4829 of 5586
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