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The grievance industry is in full swing, fueled by fabricated "injustices" that drown out cases of actual injustice. Ignoring this might be possible if it weren't for the fact that grievances are a national platform on which the left runs.

I don't disagree with your observation of the general dynamic that you describe as the "grievance industry". Much of the right's success since Reagan has been due to its ability to milk the aggrieved feelings of NASCAR belt whites.

But trying to sidestep ethan's point (or whoever's it was) by blaming the "grievance industry" for prominence of the "controversy" over marriage equality is dumb. Yes, there are lots of trivial "grievances" out there. There are also real, legitimate ones. The incipient "grievance industry" worked against slavery for years. One could even say that the U.S. owes its existence to its characteristic grievance industry. And I assume you'd agree that, post Roe v. Wade, those who favor increasing legal restrictions on abortion are key drivers of the grievance industry?
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Now I'm going to waste a workday scanning threads to see how you work "Hamsterdam" into a conversation.
We have a hamster. We call his tank "Hamsterdam"

Btw, I like the term "grievance industry". Must use going forward.
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We have a hamster. We call his tank "Hamsterdam"

Excellent. Do your hamsters have street names?
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You do realize that Voter ID laws wouldn't actually stop felons from trying to vote? Polling places don't have lists of ineligible voters. If a felon, that is one currently on parole or probation as those who have completed their sentence regain their eligibility to vote, wants to break the law to vote he could do so even if required to provide an ID.

As far as your assertion that the number of ineligible felons voting was greater than the margin of victory, all subsequent investigations by both local journalists and law enforcement disprove that.

Yes, I understand that IDs don't stop felons. However, he said "Voter fraud is a made up problem." Felons voting is voter fraud - they are fraudulently voting. You'll agree with me that after the Franken election people were actually convicted of voter fraud - both felons and people lying about knowing people so they could register?

I don't want to prevent people from voting to suppress the vote (most people don't vote anyway). I don't even think felons should be prohibited from voting. I just want a clear way for people to register and vote and be confident that their vote counts as much as the person standing in line next to them.
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Excellent. Do your hamsters have street names?
No, but now that you bring it up, he could use one. "Richard Hammond" is too square a name for such a gangsta hamsta
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

JFC I hate the Voter ID conversation in the US. Both sides are entirely made up of disingenuous fucking morons...how's that? I say that as clearly one of the goals of the right is to use them to suppress minority turnout and clearly the left has their heads up their asses when they try and make out voter ID laws are something peculiar to the desires of the US right when many countries, including Western countries, have some form of voter ID laws.

Maybe so, but it's a red flag that requiring an ID to vote even has the potential to suppress a portion of the population. Having an ID goes hand in hand with participating in a modern society. I don't think it's too much to ask of people to show up with a a proper piece of identification when they get to choose how the country is run (nor is it too much of a burden for them to get an ID in the first place).
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But trying to sidestep ethan's point (or whoever's it was) by blaming the "grievance industry" for prominence of the "controversy" over marriage equality is dumb.

If the grievance is born from the fact that they are not allowed to marry in many cases, then that grievance should disappear when gay marriage is legalized in all 50 states. That's not going to happen.
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And I assume you'd agree that, post Roe v. Wade, those who favor increasing legal restrictions on abortion are key drivers of the grievance industry?

I'm not sure I can draw a comparison between a debate over the life of an unquestionably innocent unborn baby with, say, a violent man charging, assaulting, and trying to disarm a cop in Ferguson and the outcome being claims of a civil rights violation sparking nationwide unrest based on completely disproved theories surrounding the shooting.
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If the grievance is born from the fact that they are not allowed to marry in many cases, then that grievance should disappear when gay marriage is legalized in all 50 states. That's not going to happen.

If you mean 50-state legalization, I agree that's not going to happen legislatively. If you're saying you don't think the complaint that folks aren't allowed to someone of the same sex won't disappear if folks are freely allowed to marry someone of the same sex, I'm not following.


And so your real complaint is not about people grieving issues they care about, it's just about people grieving issues you don't care about?
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Maybe so, but it's a red flag that requiring an ID to vote even has the potential to suppress a portion of the population. Having an ID goes hand in hand with participating in a modern society. I don't think it's too much to ask of people to show up with a a proper piece of identification when they get to choose how the country is run (nor is it too much of a burden for them to get an ID in the first place).

I agree it really makes no sense to me that having some form of official ID should pose such an onerous burden, but let's be honest, the Repubs figured out for some reason it will suppress minority turn out and that's their motivation.
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This is all evidence of the counter-productive nature of radicals who seem to be the most heard nowadays. Polarization on all issues is at an all-time high. Moderated viewpoints are dismissed because they are also held by the radicals. And here we are, don't solve civil rights issues because they will just have something else to complain about. Great. That's the most un-American bullshit I can think of. You reactionary fuckwads.

 

I blame Mark Zuckerberg. 

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Ethan is sexy when he gets riled up, isn't he?
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Originally Posted by ethanm View Post

 

You reactionary fuckwads.

 

we takin over

 

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ethan is sexy when he gets riled up, isn't he?


This is just transferred anger at the Arabic media's whiteashing of al-Qa'ida.

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This is all evidence of the counter-productive nature of radicals who seem to be the most heard nowadays. Polarization on all issues is at an all-time high. Moderated viewpoints are dismissed because they are also held by the radicals. And here we are, don't solve civil rights issues because they will just have something else to complain about. Great.



You bring in an Obama, we'll bring a Coulter. You bring a Soros, we'll bring Koch Bros. You bring Alinsky, we'll bring Alinsky. Ratchet this up until something collapses. But we aren't going to be mocked, ridiculed, or demonized without swinging back.

Perhaps one day rational debate will return, but I suspect it will require another collapse, dark ages, middle ages, and enlightenment. So maybe 2500 years. Until then, pass the popcorn and tell me about rape culture, safe spaces, trigger warnings, punishing your enemies, lipstick on pigs, and the War on Women.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

You bring in an Obama, we'll bring a Coulter. You bring a Soros, we'll bring Koch Bros. You bring Alinsky, we'll bring Alinsky. Ratchet this up until something collapses. But we aren't going to be mocked, ridiculed, or demonized without swinging back.

Some sweet Celebrity Death Match pairings there. biggrin.gif
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