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post #1096 of 5616
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Pretty sure rape laws only apply to humans. Cats can't rape other cats.

Check your human privilege.
post #1097 of 5616
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I'm sure some of our esteemed legal pros can chime in here but I think "rape" is part of the set of "sexual assault," as in there is nothing to distinguish between those two but rather rape is one form (of many) of sexual assault.

Texas basically uses "sexual assault" as synonymous with rape. Some social scientists tend to use it differently, to include all kinds of "assault" (unwanted contact) that are in any way sexual. I personally think its a dishonest way to use the term because it conflates slapping someone's ass with rape, and allows people to hugely inflate the numbers to suggest that rape is a lot more common than it is.
post #1098 of 5616
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Texas basically uses "sexual assault" as synonymous with rape. Some social scientists tend to use it differently, to include all kinds of "assault" (unwanted contact) that are in any way sexual. I personally think its a dishonest way to use the term because it conflates slapping someone's ass with rape, and allows people to hugely inflate the numbers to suggest that rape is a lot more common than it is.

The ol' "1 in 4" factoid stems from this.

Even the commonly used phrase "rape and sexual assault" is troublesome in that sense.
post #1099 of 5616
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Texas basically uses "sexual assault" as synonymous with rape. Some social scientists tend to use it differently, to include all kinds of "assault" (unwanted contact) that are in any way sexual. I personally think its a dishonest way to use the term because it conflates slapping someone's ass with rape, and allows people to hugely inflate the numbers to suggest that rape is a lot more common than it is.

Would would you call unwanted sexual contact that does not rise to the level of rape then? Say walking up to a women and grabbing her tits.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I can see why you don't like therm "sexual assault," by there has to be a way to distinguish between degrees, just like battery is different from manslaughter, which is different from murder.
post #1100 of 5616
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Would would you call unwanted sexual contact that does not rise to the level of rape then? Say walking up to a women and grabbing her tits.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I can see why you don't like therm "sexual assault," by there has to be a way to distinguish between degrees, just like battery is different from manslaughter, which is different from murder.

Well legally here it just falls under regular assault. I can understand how you would want to distinguish this for social science reasons. Not sure what term you would use.
post #1101 of 5616
femranezim is stupit.

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post #1102 of 5616
Thread Starter 
Yeah, grabbing tits is not sexual assault. It's gotta be genital contact one way or the other.
post #1103 of 5616
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Yeah, grabbing tits is not sexual assault. It's gotta be genital contact one way or the other.

That is not accurate.
post #1104 of 5616
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Well, in fairness I don't know what the hell the hippies in CA have defined it as but in PA it's -

§ 3124.1. Sexual assault.
Except as provided in section 3121 (relating to rape) or 3123 (relating to involuntary deviate sexual intercourse), a person commits a felony of the second degree when that person engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual intercourse with a complainant without the complainant's consent.

Intercourse requires genital contact as far as I know.
post #1105 of 5616
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Feds require it too:

(g) Definitions.— In this section:
(1) Sexual act.— The term “sexual act” means—
(A) contact between the penis and the vulva or anus or mouth, and for purposes of this subparagraph contact involving the penis occurs upon penetration, however slight; or
(B) the penetration, however slight, of the vulva or anus or mouth, of another by any part of the body or by any object, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, or degrade any person or to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.
post #1106 of 5616

Hey, Norcal is wrong. That never happens. 

post #1107 of 5616
Ah, so if someone gives me a forcible hand job it's not sexual assault
post #1108 of 5616
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Ah, so if someone gives me a forcible hand job it's not sexual assault

It's certainly something but not sexual assault in PA or federally.
post #1109 of 5616
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Hey, Norcal is wrong. That never happens. 

Or not, turns out different states have different statutes. but don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

CA more accurately call sexual assault sexual battery, which is a separate cause of action from rape. In CA rape does require penetration.

Sexual Battery:
(a) Any person who touches an intimate part of another
person while that person is unlawfully restrained by the accused or
an accomplice, and if the touching is against the will of the person
touched and is for the purpose of sexual arousal, sexual
gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of sexual battery. . .

. . . (2) As used in this subdivision, "touches" means physical contact
with another person, whether accomplished directly, through the
clothing of the person committing the offense, or through the
clothing of the victim.
. . .

(1) "Intimate part" means the sexual organ, anus, groin, or
buttocks of any person, and the breast
of a female.
post #1110 of 5616
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Hey, Norcal is wrong. That never happens. 
BTW you and fatlanta should form a club.
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