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Poll Results: Is America's freedom gone?

 
  • 44% (11)
    Yes
  • 56% (14)
    No
25 Total Votes  
post #76 of 105
i think we are headed the way of britain, relevant but non threatening. i also think it's harder than ever to rise above your station unless you are a 20 year old coder.
post #77 of 105
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

i think we are headed the way of britain, relevant but non threatening. i also think it's harder than ever to rise above your station unless you are a 20 year old coder.

Nah, medicine, Ivy MBAs, and big law all still work pretty well. You just need to be focused from an early age. Late bloomers like me are going to have it very rough though.
post #78 of 105
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Originally Posted by BrooksLauren77 View Post




Big Brother staying out of my business, low taxes and strong opposition to outsourcing.

afganatan, Somalia, yemen....



by the way - you want the government to inact laws against outsourcing but not anything else? is that what you are thinking?
post #79 of 105
US is not going the way of Great Britain because
1. You have 310 million people, that is a 1/4 of China's population, and even by 2050 you would still be the world's 3rd largest country by population (after India and China)
2. Your land area is about the same as China, which are 3rd/4th in the world (i.e. either China is 3rd, US is 4th or the other way around).
3. India is still 20 years behind China economically
4. You have one of the highest fertility rate in developed country (and immigration)

US will still be very influential until 2050, you will be playing either second or third fiddler, depends on how far India has progressed. By 2050 India to the US will be what China is to the US today, if not a bit more powerful in terms of total GDP. Some unfamiliar faces will get to the world stage, i.e. Indonesia, Nigeria, etc. and some expected one, such as Brazil, Mexico, Egypt, plus some middle packing such as Philippines, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Congo (some might climb the ladder fast, but hard to say). After China and India none had the population or enough growth to challenge the US immediately in terms of total GDP.

The wild card is if the great convergence disappear, i.e. if the US can invent a technology that can bring out the kind of productivity difference the West had over East (Industrial revolution) in mid 1800s until late 1900s and NOT spread to the rest of the world. I can see developing country stuck in middle income trap (1/4~1/3 of the US PPP per capita forever), but not the kind of gap (1/20, 1/100 ) we saw in the early 20th century. Another possible wild card is each of the developing country descend into a prolong of social unrest, again I don't see that. I don't think either are likely, or foresee by many as likely. In other words, we're back to the "normal" age of human history when population matter strongly in terms of national power. It's developing countries' game to loose not developed countries' game to win.
post #80 of 105
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Nah, medicine, Ivy MBAs, and big law all still work pretty well. You just need to be focused from an early age. Late bloomers like me are going to have it very rough though.

I think you will be surprised how many people in each of those field can be replaced by computer. What use to take 50 lawyer to investigate (say 10 million emails) became 5 lawyer + clever algorithm, of course the 5 lawyers get to do the more fun part in terms of writing a well constructed defense, but that also mean the other 45 lawyer better also be highly value added, not sure how many we would really need in the future. I expect huge shack up in Medicine as well, the more routine part of a Doctor should be done by computer + nurses, Doctors should only focus on the difficult part.

I think the generation after me (i.e. my kid) will have to code (not mastery, but need to know, at least the thought process of it) just like everyone have to know plus, minus, multiply and divide. I assume coding will gets much easier (otherwise it's a hugely failure in CS), and more helpful to everyone though.

Think of the day you can ask Excel to do stupid routine in natural language (spoken!) instead of writing some VBA or record a macro. It's good to be technically incline in this age I have to say...

Or imagine the day you can ask Styleforum to pull up all relevant sizing question on Vass without even have to go through threads, it will automatically summarize... or all RLBL in 36/38 on sale without browsing through B&S and/or EBay...

Not saying humanity major are doomed, it's just non engineer/technical education have to change to embrace the new world. That is also true for engineering based education though, currently there is not enough humanity in it to make them appeal to the mass (i.e. my generation's engineer education). That (more humanity/design etc. focus in engineering) is changing in engineering, but not the other way around (humanity education change to embrace the new world).
post #81 of 105
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

No, in America you can only have sex with people who want to have sex with you. Or at least people who don't NOT want to have sex with you.

We're gonna have robot bodies and minds in a few decades then you can have realistic-faux-robot-sex with anyone you want. I would suspect you could even sex animals and children since it would only be happening in your mind.
post #82 of 105
Canada must be the only country where policies pro-union and against outsourcing are called libertarian.
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I expect huge shack up in Medicine as well, the more routine part of a Doctor should be done by computer + nurses, Doctors should only focus on the difficult part.
That is what you would expect in a free market. But in the current US system, medicine (as the profession) is not paid for delivering cheap and efficient solutions for health problems, but for the work and technology they put in. In addition physicians have the strongest union (AMA) that exists in the US with complete control over the supply of new physicians.

In general just have an open mind, don't take life too seriously and you will have a good life.
post #83 of 105
Did someone say the US isn't experiencing civil unrest? Guess again. One half of the country spends all their time worrying about the other half who have an opposing view and have a lot of guns. The side with the guns don't talk much but you can bet they loathe the other side in nearly it's entirety.

Add in the hysteria driven and overly reactive entity known as the US gov and you got one helluva a disaster slowly cooking away.

The US could easily erupt into a hell hole that no one would want to be near and it could all happen tomorrow.
post #84 of 105
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post #85 of 105
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Originally Posted by Bhowie View Post

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LOL! Glad you think it's funny. Intellectual dissonance is a wonderful thing isn't it? I wonder how many Japanese in the town of Hiroshima thought they didn't have anything to worry about the day before a nuke burned the place to the ground? What do you think things would be like if about half the power grid in the US went down for say 3 or four weeks in the middle of the winter? It's common knowledge our infrastructure is a disaster just waiting to happen yet people just go on their merry way like it could never ever happen. Just for snicks let's entertain another thing that could lead to a whole shit load of problems. Let's say our wonderful gov spends themselves into another credit downgrade and it triggers a mass financial implosion.

Yeah there's very real problems with this country and left unchecked they will result in major problems. It's not going to be any one thing. It'll be one thing and then another and then you'll have a cascading failure on all sorts of levels to contend with. Good luck.
post #86 of 105
Thread Starter 

I feel like an idiot starting this thread.

 

Here's my ideal country

 

No big brother like government

Free Trade

Low or no minimum wage. (because thats how dumb young punks like me get hired for their first job)

Low taxes with rates like 2% for everybody

no bullshit laws

a "Kill the King" law (legally kill corrupt and Hitler/Stalin like politicians)

no restrictions on civil and personal liberties. for example, eat as many Big Macs or drink as many beers as you want and not pass the health costs onto someone else.

 

There you go.

post #87 of 105
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Originally Posted by BrooksLauren77 View Post

I feel like an idiot starting this thread.

Here's my ideal country

No big brother like government
Free Trade
Low or no minimum wage. (because thats how dumb young punks like me get hired for their first job)
Low taxes with rates like 2% for everybody
no bullshit laws
a "Kill the King" law (legally kill corrupt and Hitler/Stalin like politicians)
no restrictions on civil and personal liberties. for example, eat as many Big Macs or drink as many beers as you want and not pass the health costs onto someone else.

There you go.

Don't ever leave, you had us worried there.
post #88 of 105
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Originally Posted by Crane's View Post

Did someone say the US isn't experiencing civil unrest? Guess again. One half of the country spends all their time worrying about the other half who have an opposing view and have a lot of guns. The side with the guns don't talk much but you can bet they loathe the other side in nearly it's entirety.

Add in the hysteria driven and overly reactive entity known as the US gov and you got one helluva a disaster slowly cooking away.

The US could easily erupt into a hell hole that no one would want to be near and it could all happen tomorrow.

Crane - is that you? confused.gif You really loathe half the country? What makes you think they spend all their time worrying about you? What is this opposing view, guns?

Don't be a h8er!
post #89 of 105
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Originally Posted by romafan View Post

Crane - is that you? confused.gif You really loathe half the country? What makes you think they spend all their time worrying about you? What is this opposing view, guns?

Don't be a h8er!

Not any single person Roma. The country is split in half over political ideologies. Each side loathes the other's viewpoint. No big secret there, just look at our wonderful Fed gov and all the stupid shit they do. Both claim they have the answer but in reality neither side does. These days I'm finding myself loathing both sides equally.
post #90 of 105
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Originally Posted by BrooksLauren77 View Post

I feel like an idiot starting this thread.

Here's my ideal country

No big brother like government
Free Trade
Low or no minimum wage. (because thats how dumb young punks like me get hired for their first job)
Low taxes with rates like 2% for everybody
no bullshit laws
a "Kill the King" law (legally kill corrupt and Hitler/Stalin like politicians)
no restrictions on civil and personal liberties. for example, eat as many Big Macs or drink as many beers as you want and not pass the health costs onto someone else.

There you go.

Amendment 28. Congress shall pass no law which is bullshit.

Amendment 29. No person shall be prosecuted for the killing of a politician if said politician is all Hitler/Stalin like.
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