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Poll Results: Is America's freedom gone?

 
  • 44% (11)
    Yes
  • 56% (14)
    No
25 Total Votes  
post #46 of 105
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So we're all fucked. Awesome I'm gonna go kill myself now.
 

post #47 of 105
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So we're all fucked. Awesome I'm gonna go kill myself now.

 

Move abroad?
post #48 of 105
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Move abroad?

 

To where?

post #49 of 105
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To where?

what do you value?
post #50 of 105
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So we're all fucked. Awesome I'm gonna go kill myself now.

 

Btw, it's not Harper that put Canada so far down the path.
post #51 of 105
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Btw, it's not Harper that put Canada so far down the path.

 

Who then? (Not that I'm disagreeing with you). Trudeau?

 

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what do you value?


Big Brother staying out of my business, low taxes and strong opposition to outsourcing.

post #52 of 105
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Who then? (Not that I'm disagreeing with you). Trudeau?

The Canadian voters, by and large, have the country they feel they want. I would blame them.

There is also a shift in power going on, geographically speaking, so many are feeling butthurt as they are no longer the kingpins.
post #53 of 105
Taiwan then...

edit: and that's half serious

Big brother - Police brutality, close to none, it's more police are afraid of police. The court might not always up to scratch, but if you hire the right lawyer you should be ok. They might screw around with due process, but unless you're big fish, you're unlike to get "unjust". As far as surveillance goes, it's not CCTV everywhere like UK for sure, and probably don't have a NSA scale kind of program (because they're incompetent), doesn't mean there wouldn't be wiretap without court order, but again you have to be quite a "somebody" to worry about that...

Low Tax - Highest marginal rate is high, but you will be living like a king before you pay that, no tax on capital gain, property tax is not base on market value

Strong opposition to outsourcing - Trust me, everyone dislike outsource to China here (but still do outsource to China), but they're fine with going to somewhere else n South East Asia for cheaper or just the squeeze local labor till the last dime... it's a export driven economy that sometimes at the same time is afraid to compete...

On the plus side you get a very good universal health care with low tax. This is not the UK/Canada kind of universal health care, unless you're getting a heart transplant you can pretty much walk into any specialist on the same day or book at most 3 days prior. The doctor on average is a lot better than the ones in the US, and the hospital is open from something like 8AM until 10PM... Co pay is about 5 USD, medicine is either like 50 cents or covered, though the ones are not covered will be pricy, but most daily stuff are covered.

PPP adjust GDP per capita is about 35K? So you won't be poor poor, equity is certainly better than the US, though getting worse
Edited by clee1982 - 8/8/13 at 10:29am
post #54 of 105
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Who then? (Not that I'm disagreeing with you). Trudeau?



Big Brother staying out of my business, low taxes and strong opposition to outsourcing.

How can you be against Big Brother and outsourcing? If there is no Big Brother how do you stop outsourcing? Tariffs and trade restrictions have been in Big Brother's bag longer than gun control and the income tax.
post #55 of 105
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How can you be against Big Brother and outsourcing? If there is no Big Brother how do you stop outsourcing? Tariffs and trade restrictions have been in Big Brother's bag longer than gun control and the income tax.


I meant Big Brother giving me my privacy. I believe low taxes are a way to promote job creation and keeping them there.

 

But what do I know? I'm just a 21 year old liberal punk who think multinational corporations are evil.

post #56 of 105
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Taiwan then...

edit: and that's half serious

Big brother - Police brutality, close to none, it's more police are afraid of police. The court might not always up to scratch, but if you hire the right lawyer you should be ok. They might screw around with due process, but unless you're big fish, you're unlike to get "unjust". As far as surveillance goes, it's not CCTV everywhere like UK for sure, and probably don't have a NSA scale kind of program (because they're incompetent), doesn't mean there wouldn't be wiretap without court order, but again you have to be quite a "somebody" to worry about that...

Low Tax - Highest marginal rate is high, but you will be living like a king before you pay that, no tax on capital gain, property tax is not base on market value

Strong opposition to outsourcing - Trust me, everyone dislike outsource to China here (but still do outsource to China), but they're fine with going to somewhere else n South East Asia for cheaper or just the squeeze local labor till the last dime... it's a export driven economy that sometimes at the same time is afraid to compete...

On the plus side you get a very good universal health care with low tax. This is not the UK/Canada kind of universal health care, unless you're getting a heart transplant you can pretty much walk into any specialist on the same day or book at most 3 days prior. The doctor on average is a lot better than the ones in the US, and the hospital is open from something like 8AM until 10PM... Co pay is about 5 USD, medicine is either like 50 cents or covered, though the ones are not covered will be pricy, but most daily stuff are covered.

PPP adjust GDP per capita is about 35K? So you won't be poor poor, equity is certainly better than the US, though getting worse

 

Interesting. I always thought Taiwan was a poor country.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with living in Canada, If I read right, our economy is a little better than the states and our banks didn't go to shit like the US' did. I can also have sex with whoever I want that's over 16 (18 to be safe).

 

Unfortunately our Libertarian Party doesn't have the following it does in the states.

post #57 of 105
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Interesting. I always thought Taiwan was a poor country.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with living in Canada, If I read right, our economy is a little better than the states and our banks didn't go to shit like the US' did. I can also have sex with whoever I want that's over 16 (18 to be safe).

Unfortunately our Libertarian Party doesn't have the following it does in the states.

Interesting that you thought Taiwan is a poor country..., PPP adjusted's GDP per capita for Canada is about 43K and Taiwan is about 39K per IMF, now I bothered to look up..., though per IMF, Germany's PPP per capita is the same as Taiwan and both higher than UK (give/take couple hundreds)
post #58 of 105
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Interesting that you thought Taiwan is a poor country..., PPP adjusted's GDP per capita for Canada is about 43K and Taiwan is about 39K per IMF, now I bothered to look up..., though per IMF, Germany's PPP per capita is the same as Taiwan and both higher than UK (give/take couple hundreds)

 

I'll admit that I don't follow international news much. I'm just thinking that if America goes past the black hole's event horizon, Canada will be next.

 

I also feel that we will never get out of the Great Recession.

post #59 of 105
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Unfortunately our Libertarian Party doesn't have the following it does in the states.

Our Libertarian Party doesn't have a following either. We have a very small but vocal libertarian presence, but they never really have a chance of getting anyone elected.
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I can also have sex with whoever I want that's over 16 (18 to be safe).
Yeah that's true in the US too.
post #60 of 105
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Interesting. I always thought Taiwan was a poor country.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with living in Canada, If I read right, our economy is a little better than the states and our banks didn't go to shit like the US' did. I can also have sex with whoever I want that's over 16 (18 to be safe).

Unfortunately our Libertarian Party doesn't have the following it does in the states.

I would reflect on your thoughts concerning the Canadian economy and the banking system. True Canadian banks did not suffer like US banks did but neither did they benefit like US banks did in the 20 years prior. So basically Canadian banks have traded less downside volatility for less upside. Next, the housing markets in your three biggest and hottest markets are getting ready to implode. Additionally personal debt is at all time highs. Lastly, much of the growth in the Canadian economy in the last few years is predicated on the US recovery, i.e. your growth is due to an exogenous factor.

You should also examine the loss of jobs many of which are moving to the US. GM plant in Oshawa getting shut down and jobs to the US. Locomotive plant in London shut down and moved to the US. The CAW is slowly killing manufacturing in Canada.
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