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post #106 of 119
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Nice work and very impressive price point’s nstarleather. I especially like your Horween Leather Credit Card Trucker Wallet.

post #107 of 119

Glad you like it.  One of the things we're trying to figure out is whether we do mostly like the other "Horween" products that are already out there (simple ID cases and such), or if we try some things you won't see anywhere else.  We're doing a bit of both I guess.

post #108 of 119
Originally Posted by nstarleather View Post

Glad you like it.  One of the things we're trying to figure out is whether we do mostly like the other "Horween" products that are already out there (simple ID cases and such), or if we try some things you won't see anywhere else.  We're doing a bit of both I guess.

I would say to make items that are like other Horween products on the market. Trying to create new, unique items is difficult because figuring out what that item is will be half the battle. I mean, you wouldn't make a Horween pencil case simply because it's not available on the market. If you look at Gustin, they're not exactly churning out original leather goods. A lot of the smaller sellers you come across on Etsy are also doing similar items, just in their own unique way. If anything, i'd say your price points are better than most i've come across. So long as your prices are competitive and your products can withstand abuse then you're good to go.
post #109 of 119

Oh yeah our items can take abuse...we just started doing the "Horween" line but we've been doing many of the same styles for many years.  I can't remember ever getting back a wallet or ID case for repair.  The only repairs we ever end up doing regularlly are on the handbags and things with zippers, because those eventually wear out.

Actually the Horween is great if you want that name but I'd say that the "standard" products we do will last just as long- and they're about 1/3rd the price...

post #110 of 119
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1/3 of the price is quite a bit less. Are the standard leathers also US sourced?

post #111 of 119

The providence of leather is always a tough question because it tends to be a global commodity...lots of leather gets its start in South America (Argentinians eat a lot of beef) then gets finished here.  


For our products here's the general rundown:

I try to use "Scrap" when I can to keep prices down.

The Standard leathers on the "soft" items like change purses and pouches are scrap from the furniture industry in NC (most upholstery leather is European because they grow their cows bigger and in less harsh environments (less scars)).

The stiff leathers (checkbooks ID cases wallets) can vary depending on the deals I can find.   I pick up odd lots and over-runs when I can.  The Horween leathers for examples were from a scrap deal I got from Alden shoe and also an odd-lot of hides from Wolverine.  Even then, lots of it was Horween, but some of it (top grain suedes) was from the British Tannery CF Stead, a bit more was from the French tannery that does Hermes stuff HAAS, and yet more of it was a nice shiny calf skin that I haven't been able to identify. Thankfully Horween stamps the back enough that I can match up which is theirs (though CXL is unmistakable.)

The embossed Items (135E and 136E) I buy veg-tanned leather from Weaver.

Police Ticketbooks are English Bridle, but it's made here...


For leather I buy straight up, some comes from SB Foot tannery (US) but a my standard colors for checkbook and wallet leathers I have made up come from Le Farc  a great tannery in Mexico (the same tannery as Saddleback uses), it's nice leather no question about the quality. Even for that I deal with a USA based "Middle man."  

post #112 of 119
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Thank you nstarleather. I really appreciate your insight and openness.

post #113 of 119

No Prob.  I find that if you're dodgy about things like sourcing, people think you've got something to hide.  I like to be direct can honest because there is a lot of non-sense info out there today about leather.  I saw a blog-post that was on Art of Manliness (about leather jackets) and was then repeated a on others that had some really WRONG things about leather, basically because the maker they interviewed wanted to hype the leather he uses and his techniques and bash anything else.  A couple of the most egregious things were:


1. "Genuine leather" is an industry term for leather made from the inner hide. It’s thinner, cheaper, and less durable than top grain or full grain, but it is still made from a whole piece of animal hide..


Nope Genuine means the same thing it means anywhere else- "real"  Now, it really doesn't mean much because it can refer to any leather from the best to the worst, but the words Genuine Leather don't really instantly make it an "inferior class of leather" that's thinner and cheaper.


2.  Lots of info out there that says "full-grain" is the "end all be all" That it's more durable and generally superior in every way to "Top Grain"


Also not really correct.  Some tanneries don't even make this distinction.  That's because there is a lot you can do to a hide after it's taken off the animal and there are only 2 distinctions is kind of misleading.  You can sand, smooth, stretch, emboss, shrink, paint, dye and do all sorts of things that change the character of a hide- take CXL for example:  Yes, it's full grain but it's had a lot of treatment done that make it very different from other "full grain" leathers.  As to durability two good examples of uses of "Top Grain" that prove it's really just as durable as full grain:


    Footballs are made of embossed top-grain leather.  It doesn't get much tougher than that.


    Workboots are many times made of new buck, which is a top-grain that's been sanded to give a nude finish and a little "fuzz".  Why? because that finish is going to resist scratches better than a shiny top-grain with a finish. 


3. Lastly, that leather with a white/blue edge isn't fully tanned and will dry out and wear out, and that's why makers paint the edges of their products.


I hate this one the worst because he's literally bashing other makers who use edge coat, which most of us use to make a product look more finished.  Raw edges even if the leather is dark don't look as nice as smooth painted edge.  Most of the leather I use is "struck through" as in it's roughly the same color inside as the top, but not fully tanned isn't something I've ever heard of...

The idea that white or blue on the edge makes it not fully tanned is silly- it may not be fully drum dyed, but lots of really really great leathers have white edges.

 Examples of great leathers that are white edged:

Shell Cordovan- $100+ per square foot. Has a white edge and a white back.

English Bridle Leather- like most Veg-Tanned stuff it has that "saddle" colored inside and back.


Sorry to rant, I just want to get this info out there!

post #114 of 119
As an aside, shell cordovan is highly coveted here, so if you were also able to source Hoween shell for your stuff people might be interested

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post #115 of 119
Originally Posted by gaseousclay View Post

As an aside, shell cordovan is highly coveted here, so if you were also able to source Hoween shell for your stuff people might be interested

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This I know...I'm exploring the possibility!

post #116 of 119
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Originally Posted by 4characters View Post

American made boot of the day: Wesco

Fine quality traditionally crafted super rugged boots made right here in the USA.


And Hear: (User friendly site for custom Wesco's--- call and for ask Kyle)

New Wesco's today:


Wesco Review time!


The Leather:

The burlap leather is really nice, thick, and velvety soft: feels like buckskin! Though I will need to put some LP on it so it won’t be so absorbent. It is already starting to show some discoloration and scuffing even though I just got them today so I will be treating them to help seal the leather against heavy staining.



Stitching is awesome; I really like the two tone stitching with the super thick stitch in the middle. It’s a nice artistic detail. 



The Vibram 132 sole is fairly light and nicely soft rubber that absorbs a bit of shock when walking. It also has a good amount of grip + awesome tread pattern. The half slip seems to also add a bit of arch support to the otherwise pretty flat sole. It's lower and more block-like than many of the standard soles and this gives the boot a more contemporary, yet very comfortable, feel.



Surprisingly good! I thought that because they didn't have the added piece of leather in the arch like White’s boots do that they wouldn't have any support, but that turned out to be an incorrect assumption. That said, they do have a bit less support than my White’s boots overall, but still very good and much better than I expected.


Steel toe:

The steel toe doesn't cut into my toe or anything and is quite comfortable and rugged, but this is achieved by making the boots a bit tall in the toe area which makes them look rather large. More of an observation than anything else.


Fit: The most noticeable thing is the toe is roomy because it's steel, but also the heel fits very snug in a good way.


Overall construction:

Good solid boots. The mid-sole (excluding the half slip) seems a bit thinner than my White’s, but quite adequate. I set them next to my White’s smokejumpers and semi-dress boots and they seem to be about comparable. These boots are a little different here and there from what I’m used to, but overall awesome boots.


Closing thoughts: I’m very glad that Wesco is still a small American made/owned company. The quality and construction is very nice, they are comfortable, and really about all I could hope for in a pair of boots. These will not be my last pair of Wesco’s!

post #117 of 119
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Amazingly Comfortable Shirts Made ByPuraKai

PuraKai is a nice little San Diego based company which has only recently come into being. The company was founded by great idealistic father/daughter duo who love surfing and wanted to make a shirt that could help reverse some of the damage that is being inflicted on our oceans and those who surf it. They did this by creating an outstanding local California supply chain using local organic materials and local manufacturing.There supply chain is pretty impressive. PuraKai is the only company making clothing locally in California from organic cotton grown in California. I’m no surfer, but those are some great credentials and it’s really great to see a surf inspired clothing company making clothing ethically and being involved with current relevant surf related issues.


Even the delivery was really well thought out. The shirts came in a recycled brown paper bag, with recycled informational tag tied with a waxed hemp cord; great little touches. In following their own passion for the ocean they have made something that relates to some pretty basic human needs that we all share such the need for as clean air, clean water, fertile living soil, living wages, ability of farmers to save their own seeds, ability for consumers and farm workers alike to not get poisoned and the list goes on really... and most importantly they make nice shirts.


And here are the shirts:


















First thoughts on the shirts: I was surprised to see such an outstanding sheen on the shirts out of the bag; these things glow. The colors are really rich and have a great depth. The shirts are light, super soft, and finely knit. These are absolutely perfect shirts for summer time or winter as an undershirt. Holding a shirt in the hand it has the ultra high-end feeling of a quality and well constructed luxury shirt.


The fabric is made from high quality organic cotton. I have heard that organic cotton can be extremely soft, but this fabric would give my Sea Island cotton shirts a run for their money. It’s just an incredibly comfortable fabric.


With a closer look the details are very nice. Silk screened label on the neck looks great, the shirt is stitched together with excellent thick cotton stitching, and has well executed chain stitched neck taping.


For the fit I am about a 40’’ chest and I went with a medium (39-41 chest) and the fit is perfect. The arms are fitted and length is right where I want it.


Overall I’m very pleased with these shirts and am glad to support such a great little company.




The homepage of PuraKai:

The shirt I ordered:

post #118 of 119

Worn Chippewa engineer boots, still handmade in the USA. Tough as hell:


post #119 of 119
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American Summer Style: Authentic Hawaiian Shirts

The Hawaiian shirt is a truly great piece of Americana prized for its bright colors and lovely patterns. Today it’s getting a little harder to find authentic Hawaiian shirts, but they are still out there and able to be found on sites like ebay and etsy.

I ran into this shirt quite by accident, but upon taking a closer look I noticed that it was a real gem of an old shirt. It was made in the 1960’s by a Hawaiian company called Ui-Maikai. The fabric is selvedge bark cloth of finest quality. The detailing on the shirt is impeccable from the original rayon woven tag to the blind stitched hem. As Hawaiian shirts are known for, the pattern and use of color is bright, vivid, and graphic; this shirt is really stunning in person. Apparently these shirts are quite a collectable bit of Americana and have a whole subculture built around them which is fascinating.








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