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post #61 of 93
^^^ wow they wore that getup on hot days????
post #62 of 93
I love opera pumps. I would try to get the A-E Ritz on closeout if I thought I were likely to wear formal or semi-formal evening wear in the foreseeable future. I love opera pumps because, so far from being effeminate, they hark back to an era of court dress when an affront to another gentlemen was likely to get you called out to a "meeting" where you were likely to end up with a sword through your guts!

(My apologies to forum regulars who have heard these sentiments from me before.)
post #63 of 93
Remember you can also get pumps with a more subdued flat bow (examples from John Lobb St James):





Or if you really can't stand the bow:

post #64 of 93
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Originally Posted by Sator View Post
No longer. But if you do sing in the countertenor range, you will surely share with me the amazement that a wardrobe item has survived the fickle changes of fashion all these centuries. Indeed 'opera' pumps are even older than the history of opera itself - which dates back only as far as the 17th century. So you can argue that they are the non plus ultra in the story of the persistence of style in the face of fashion.

Amazement is certainly the right word. To be honest, I'd never even heard of opera pumps until I read Manton's Wedding Attire article (which was what lead me to this forum, btw). And I'm not exactly sure I'm ready for a pair. I'd probably get them before I'd get patent leather oxfords, though.
post #65 of 93
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
I love opera pumps. I would try to get the A-E Ritz on closeout if I thought I were likely to wear formal or semi-formal evening wear in the foreseeable future. I love opera pumps because, so far from being effeminate, they hark back to an era of court dress when an affront to another gentlemen was likely to get you called out to a "meeting" where you were likely to end up with a sword through your guts!

(My apologies to forum regulars who have heard these sentiments from me before.)

The vamp on the Ritz is too high, too much like a loafer and not enough like a pump. Most other pumps have leather heels.

I prefer calf pumps over patent leather. While velvet, grosgrain, or satin/silk don't adhere to the rules, I wouldn't throw you out of my party if you wore them.
post #66 of 93
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Originally Posted by Andre Yew View Post
I do, with black tie. It is surprisingly subtle within the context of the entire outfit.

--Andre

Agreed. Other people might give you trouble for wearing a "women's shoe," but these same men are wearing ugly shoes and pre-tied bow ties. Case in point.

The picture quoted looks like the Grenson Opera Pump, which I own a pair of. I, personally, think they are the classiest opera pump I've seen... much better than of AE and Ferragamo.

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post #67 of 93
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To add - I've consulted the only sources readily to hand and Boyer ("Elegance") gives pumps as going with white tie (with plain-toe Oxfords as an additional choice), Flusser "Dressing the Man", doesn't commit himself, but does date the general appearance in dress circles of the Oxford to 1930 (but I have some doubts about this - see below.) Finally, whilst "Dress Worn at Court" (1912) concerns itself with ceremonial uniform rather than ordinary formalwear, it does give the following as accompanying evening dress for members of the Royal Household:

"SHOES. - Plain Court with bows, no buckles. Boots or shoes optional with trousers."

I think this is essentially describing the opera pump as we know it today.

I have copies of menswear advertisements showing opera pumps being worn with both white tie and black tie as far back as 1909.

One thing I've learned is not to judge them on their own - when they are worn as part of a black tie ensemble they generally appear much less effeminate. Even less so when decorated with an unpinched bow.
post #68 of 93
Wow, a lot of lurkers coming out to defend the opera pump. Personally, I think with a flattened bow they are elegant, understated and oddly diplomatic (in a Thomas Jefferson kind of way).

I just showed a picture to my girlfriend and she cringed. So now I definitely need to get a pair.
post #69 of 93
I once made a poll about opera pumps but it has since been lost to that Great Crash.
post #70 of 93
I particularly like these calf opera pumps from Moreschi, as I have an intense dislike of anything in patent leather.

post #71 of 93
Well

the opera pumps were worn in the past... yes ! to the opera.

and at the opera you are normally seated. so this opera pumps are a kind of formal more elegant slipper.

patent oxfords were worn to parties, so to dance with them
post #72 of 93
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Originally Posted by lakewolf View Post
Well

the opera pumps were worn in the past... yes ! to the opera.

and at the opera you are normally seated. so this opera pumps are a kind of formal more elegant slipper.

patent oxfords were worn to parties, so to dance with them

As already mentioned 'opera pumps' pre-date the invention of opera. The other term for them is 'court shoes' or even 'dancing shoes' - because learning courtly dances was once an essential part of aristocratic education.
post #73 of 93
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Originally Posted by LabelKing View Post
Also bullfights wear a similar pump.

Yes, and pink socks (http://www.flamencoshop.com/bullfigh...of_lights.htm).

Is that gay?
post #74 of 93
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Originally Posted by Sator View Post
As already mentioned 'opera pumps' pre-date the invention of opera. The other term for them is 'court shoes' or even 'dancing shoes' - because learning courtly dances was once an essential part of aristocratic education.

That may be the case historically, but I think they're unsuitable for dancing since they tend to slip off.

--Andre
post #75 of 93
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I just showed a picture to my girlfriend and she cringed. So now I definitely need to get a pair.

Exaaaaactly.
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