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post #106 of 146
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Fair enough...but the white polyester suits and big, gaping open collars are indicative of the era.
post #107 of 146
People saying that this current era is the worst for suits must be off their rocker. I hate 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets as much as the next guy, but the average guy on the street doesn't wear stuff like that. If you go to a middle-class wedding today (I'll use weddings as an example because they are one of the few occasions where the average guy dresses up in a suit), you aren't seeing any of the suits that people have been posting here as an example of what guys today are wearing. However, take the same event from 40 years ago and the MAJORITY of guys were wearing horrible polyester atrocities. You can't look at a current trend from today an assume everyone dresses like that, because the fact is that they are not.
post #108 of 146
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

People saying that this current era is the worst for suits must be off their rocker. I hate 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets as much as the next guy, but the average guy on the street doesn't wear stuff like that. If you go to a middle-class wedding today (I'll use weddings as an example because they are one of the few occasions where the average guy dresses up in a suit), you aren't seeing any of the suits that people have been posting here as an example of what guys today are wearing. However, take the same event from 40 years ago and the MAJORITY of guys were wearing horrible polyester atrocities. You can't look at a current trend from today an assume everyone dresses like that, because the fact is that they are not.


I do wonder though, what will weddings be like when those 20-something clubbers obsessed with thin lapels and skinny ties decide to settle down? One would hope that their sense of aesthetics will improve with age.

post #109 of 146
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Originally Posted by mezentius View Post


I do wonder though, what will weddings be like when those 20-something clubbers obsessed with thin lapels and skinny ties decide to settle down? One would hope that their sense of aesthetics will improve with age.

To answer your question - right from the TAT "look book":

 

post #110 of 146

70's.

post #111 of 146
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

People saying that this current era is the worst for suits must be off their rocker. I hate 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets as much as the next guy, but the average guy on the street doesn't wear stuff like that. If you go to a middle-class wedding today (I'll use weddings as an example because they are one of the few occasions where the average guy dresses up in a suit), you aren't seeing any of the suits that people have been posting here as an example of what guys today are wearing. However, take the same event from 40 years ago and the MAJORITY of guys were wearing horrible polyester atrocities. You can't look at a current trend from today an assume everyone dresses like that, because the fact is that they are not.

But who goes to middle class weddings? Probably an affluent few and friends of the couple, that can afford the more expensive apparel ... and the rest of us are wearing polyester 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets we bought from Gap or Brooks Brothers or Topman or River Island or Walmart or whatever.

Myself, I like large collars and lapels, provided they're in wool, cotton or silk.
Edited by MikeDT - 7/28/13 at 10:04pm
post #112 of 146
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

People saying that this current era is the worst for suits must be off their rocker. I hate 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets as much as the next guy, but the average guy on the street doesn't wear stuff like that. If you go to a middle-class wedding today (I'll use weddings as an example because they are one of the few occasions where the average guy dresses up in a suit), you aren't seeing any of the suits that people have been posting here as an example of what guys today are wearing.

Yeah, because they're wearing the suits they bought back in 1989 or thereabouts (most of them, anyway).
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However, take the same event from 40 years ago and the MAJORITY of guys were wearing horrible polyester atrocities. You can't look at a current trend from today an assume everyone dresses like that, because the fact is that they are not.

I don't recall anybody wearing a "horrible polyester atrocity" at my first wedding--43 years and seven days ago. I suspect in most eras there has been a considerable gap between the suits most men actually have and what is currently fashionable. For most men, especially these days, suit purchases are relatively infrequent, and men tend to hold on to what they have.
post #113 of 146
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post


Yeah, because they're wearing the suits they bought back in 1989 or thereabouts (most of them, anyway).
I don't recall anybody wearing a "horrible polyester atrocity" at my first wedding--43 years and seven days ago. I suspect in most eras there has been a considerable gap between the suits most men actually have and what is currently fashionable. For most men, especially these days, suit purchases are relatively infrequent, and men tend to hold on to what they have.


How many of those people were armed? nest.gif

post #114 of 146
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But who goes to middle class weddings? Probably an affluent few and friends of the couple, that can afford the more expensive apparel ... and the rest of us are wearing polyester 2" lapels, skinny ties, and short jackets we bought from Gap or Brooks Brothers or Topman or River Island or Walmart or whatever.

Myself, I like large collars and lapels, provided they're in wool, cotton or silk.

I think you and I have a different idea of what a middle class wedding is. I'm not affluent, and neither are any of my family or friends, but I've been to many weddings where all the guys wear suits. Only attended by a few affluent people? If that was the case, then it wouldn't be middle-class anymore, it would be an affluent affair.
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Yeah, because they're wearing the suits they bought back in 1989 or thereabouts (most of them, anyway).
I don't recall anybody wearing a "horrible polyester atrocity" at my first wedding--43 years and seven days ago. I suspect in most eras there has been a considerable gap between the suits most men actually have and what is currently fashionable. For most men, especially these days, suit purchases are relatively infrequent, and men tend to hold on to what they have.

Disagree about the suits from 1989 comment. Most of the under age 30 population at these weddings was not buying suits in 1989, and most of these guys are not wearing the trendy suits that everyone else here is talking about. I don't know if anyone here has seen a department store circular lately, but places like Macy's, JC Penney, Men's Wearhouse, etc do not sell these Thom Browne-esque trendy suits, and that is where the average guy is shopping for his suit. Maybe 5-10% of the population is wearing something super trendy, and my point is that back in the 70s the percentage of guys wearing something very "70s" was much higher.
post #115 of 146
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

How many of those people were armed? nest.gif

None, actually. Texas had very strict laws virtually prohibiting concealed carry "except when traveling" back in those days.
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Originally Posted by Beatlegeuse View Post

I think you and I have a different idea of what a middle class wedding is. I'm not affluent, and neither are any of my family or friends, but I've been to many weddings where all the guys wear suits. Only attended by a few affluent people? If that was the case, then it wouldn't be middle-class anymore, it would be an affluent affair.
Disagree about the suits from 1989 comment. Most of the under age 30 population at these weddings was not buying suits in 1989, and most of these guys are not wearing the trendy suits that everyone else here is talking about. I don't know if anyone here has seen a department store circular lately, but places like Macy's, JC Penney, Men's Wearhouse, etc do not sell these Thom Browne-esque trendy suits, and that is where the average guy is shopping for his suit. Maybe 5-10% of the population is wearing something super trendy, and my point is that back in the 70s the percentage of guys wearing something very "70s" was much higher.

You didn't say anything about suits for the "under 30" crowd. At the weddings I have attended, the guests include a broad range of ages. I can't comment about JCP or MW, but I am pretty sure a lot of the stuff at Macy's these days is what you would call "super trendy."
post #116 of 146
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

None, actually. Texas had very strict laws virtually prohibiting concealed carry "except when traveling" back in those days.
You didn't say anything about suits for the "under 30" crowd. At the weddings I have attended, the guests include a broad range of ages. I can't comment about JCP or MW, but I am pretty sure a lot of the stuff at Macy's these days is what you would call "super trendy."

I mentioned the under 30 crowd because all the pics people have been posting about the current awful trend all feature younger guys wearing suits, and I don't think anyone would suggest that the older guys would wear anything trendy.

Here are some links to illustrate my point...this is what I consider to be a "super trendy" suit that people have been mentioning in regards to the current short jacket, narrow lapels, tight pants look:

http://www.barneys.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-BNY-Site/default/Product-Show?pid=502744241

Not many people dress like this nowadays. This is for a very select population, and it is not nearly as widespread as some people are making it out to be.

This is the kind of crap they sell at the department stores I mentioned:

http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/kenneth-cole-reaction-suit-black-solid-slim-fit?ID=551083&CategoryID=22610&stop_mobi=yes&cookie_check=true

This is what most guys wear, and there is a world of difference between the Thom Browne suit and this one. Even look at the related items Macy's is selling on the right hand side of the page - these are downright conservative compared to the Barney's link. You really think Macy's is selling "super trendy" suits? And this is just one example - every other dept store across the country is selling the same stuff, not great suits, but nothing I would consider über trendy.

I hope this reinforces the point I was trying to make - it doesn't make sense to argue that the current era is the worst for suits with the implication that everyone is wearing narrow lapels and super short jackets with ultra tight pants. It's just not accurate.

Now, if you want to argue that this current trend is the worst ever, I can get on board with that. I just think that the current era is too diverse to look at one specific trend that is worn by a very small percentage of people and use that to blanket the entire era. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it....
Edited by Beatlegeuse - 7/29/13 at 2:51pm
post #117 of 146
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Originally Posted by MrDaniels View Post


Did we actually really dress like that in the 1970s, apart from what was on TV, Saturday Night Fever, Stylistics, Brotherhood of Man, Osmonds etc.


TBH I always liked some '70s jackets and suits





both 100% wool, no polyester.

I just couldn't imagine myself wearing anything like the currently trendy suits and jackets.



If I wore something like that, it would be like Pee-wee Herman. This fad will soon pass, and they'll get more generous on the fabric and cut again.
Edited by MikeDT - 7/31/13 at 8:45pm
post #118 of 146
If the top button was at the height of the bottom one, it wouldn't be nearly as terrible. As is, the arm holes seem level with the buttoning, which is absurd.
post #119 of 146
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None, actually. Texas had very strict laws virtually prohibiting concealed carry "except when traveling" back in those days.
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No "dress guns" I take it.
post #120 of 146
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The fact that both buttons are buttoned speaks volumes about the fact that no one involved knows anything about suits.
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