Originally Posted by Munky
Thank you for that, DWFII, it clarified you position very well.
I suppose I would take a slightly 'softer' view of people who disagree with a knowledgeable one. Like you, I am considered an expert in my own field. I hope I would never stop a student - at any level - from expressing opinions, arguing with received knowledge and generally putting forward a view that hadn't occurred to me, or one that I didn't particularly agree with. Argument between experts is also important. I guess that we remain students all of our lives.This thread is a form of education for a lot of people like me. I hope there is room for everyone and that the thread remains inclusive.
I am sorry about putting your quotes in inverted commas; I haven't yet worked out how to take chunks out of the text in order to put them in context! Some expert!
Best wishes, Munky.
I take students on all the time--just finished with one, got another coming in Jan--have done for the past 25 years. I've been a student most of my life. I've literally sat at the knee
of my mentors. To do that you have to sublimate your own ego and put aside your preconceptions.
That said, I was there to learn, not dispute. I asked question aplenty but I never argued.
I encourage questions--honest, sincere, respectful questions. And here on StyleForum, at least, I don't charge a nickle for the knowledge it has taken me years to acquire, despite the fact that it does take a fair amount of my time and energy.
On the other hand, I don't have much truck or patience for uninformed...and more importantly, unfocused
...argument--nearly always argument for the sake of argument, in my experience, and almost always by people who aren't looking to learn, or don't think they need to learn.
My remarks are not written in stone. Yes, you could make the case that I am an expert in my field. Perhaps, I've earned that accolade. But there are other ways to do things...even within the definitions of Traditional shoemaking as the Trade sees it. (Although such differences are pretty minor.)
As I said, in another post (and many times before) I don't require agreement or Facebook Likes. Just a sincere good will.
I post about shoemaking. That's one of the few subjects I am an expert in. I don't post about watches, or suits or colour coordination of ties and pocket squares...or even art history. There are better people, more experienced people, who know far more than I do about such subjects. I'd be stealing their thunder and disrespecting them if I tried to tell them what I think and what is wrong with their perspectives. And all the more so when such gratuitous commentary springs from ignorance and speculation.
As we've seen many times on this forum, some people have no problem with that--with telling anyone and everyone how much they know about anything and everything (when in reality they "know nothing, Jon Snow"). Respect isn't in it. Not even ordinary civil respect.
It reminds me of a scene in Band of Brothers when Capt. Sobel thinks he can weasel past Major Winters without saluting. Winters brings him up short with the comment that "We salute the rank, Captain Sobel, not the man."
The knowledge and experience is valuable in its own right and unimpeachable by those who have never experienced it.
--Edited by DWFII - 12/11/13 at 9:06am