JermynStreet
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I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about anymore. What is the scientific conclusion I should draw from this discussion?
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I have absolutely no idea what you guys are talking about anymore. What is the scientific conclusion I should draw from this discussion?
What about fluoropolymers for waterproofing. Some substantial hiking and mountaineering boots recommend only these sprays for maintaining the waterproof properties of their products. Since these are for heavy duty use, this would appear to be based on function, not cosmetics.
Anybody have any experience with Saphir Creme Universelle, or Saphir Napa conditioner? I actually have some of the Universelle and it's ok, I guess. It says it has beeswax and jojoba. It feels much thinner than Renovateur. Napa seems like an interesting product, they say it is for delicate leathers and has mink oil and jojoba and no solvents.
DWF--or whoever--what is the origin and practicality of the Norwegian welt? Did it ever actually repel water at a greater rate than a traditional hand welt?
Also, re: leather properties, I don't know if anyone watched the Mayweather - Alvarez fight, but Mayweather was sporting some pretty sick patent python leather trunks. Get a lot of orders for boots in that skin, DWF??
Good question. I would add to this curiosity about the efficacy of a "fudge welt," which is, I think, an ordinary welt with an additional turned out welt above it.
DWF--or whoever--what is the origin and practicality of the Norwegian welt? Did it ever actually repel water at a greater rate than a traditional hand welt?
Also, re: leather properties, I don't know if anyone watched the Mayweather - Alvarez fight, but Mayweather was sporting some pretty sick patent python leather trunks. Get a lot of orders for boots in that skin, DWF??
Given that corrected grain leather has a coating on it, does it absorb any cleaners or creams - coloured or otherwise? If not, presumably the shoe cleaning lists, scattered throughout the shoe thread, don't apply to such leather. However, I imagine that most people have at least some shoes made of such leather and some regularly clean them. Kiwi and Meltonian continue to thrive and I don't imagine that those products are aimed at the sort of people who visit this and the shoe site. They are aimed, I would think mostly, at people who wear corrected leather shoes. Are people with corrected grain shoes wasting their time in cleaning them?
We don't have many shoe shine people in this country but do they refuse to polish corrected grain shoes? I wouldn't think so!
Most fully opaque leathers have some form of top coat. In a technical sense, I suppose one could argue that all leather except aniline dyed leather is "corrected grain". But the point is that the technology of finishing leather has probably advance to the point where some portion of conditioners does get through.
It is never a mistake or a waste of time to clean your shoes even if it is corrected grain. If nothing else cleaning off the micro fines that accumulate in the creases will marsupial cracking.
Meltonian in particular was never aimed at lower priced shoes. It is a decent product (British I believe) that has been refocused to the lowest common denominator in order to increase sales and profitability...like so many old and venerable firms in the shoe Trade. The worst part about it...something that is relatively recent...is that the colours are often inconsistent and they tend to fade or change as time goes by. I still use Meltonian. I still like and think it is at least adequate, and non-damaging...for the most part. We don't get Saphir or Colonnil or any of the hoity-toity, high price shoe creams here in the States...at least not readily. It's Meltonian and Kiwi and Kelly and Lincoln, for the most part.
I remember reading some time ago (probably a year or so) that Allen Edmonds shoe care products are re-branded Colonnil. I don't remember the source, but I'll post it if I find it. I also don't know if it was or is still true. These things can change rather suddenly sometimes.