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post #31 of 53
Out of curiosity, how do you get clients? People call you up and say "I dress badly, help!"?
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by CousinDonuts View Post

Out of curiosity, how do you get clients? People call you up and say "I dress badly, help!"?

Step #1: Dismiss helpful links from other posters as "irrelevant." Only your knowledge is relevant.
post #33 of 53
My favorite use of "don't knock it until you've tried it" is Ali G's retort to an anti-abortion activist.
post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post


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The argument is not "You can't knock it until you've tried it" - the argument is your perception of the industry is way off, which it wouldn't be if there was some past experience.

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crackup[1].gifBut you would say that wouldn't you - 'if you don't think the service has value, it just shows you don't understand the service'.

 

Sounds like the old cliche about consultants using your own watch to tell you the time is on target here.

 

Interesting, by the way, that you think the usual SF 'why can I kop these brands' contribution in #27 is helpful.  Another reason not to try image consulting.

post #35 of 53
Balfour seems to be foaming at the mouth and without an idea of what real image consultants do. To answer the question above, there's no way for them to call - someone probably didn't look at the website - but sometimes they sign up and yes basically say "Help, I have no style." Sometimes it's more complicated than that, like the subject of this thread.

Anyway, the CBD link 'advice' was mostly irrelevant because the New Yorker seems to prefer a modern style (within office culture confines). If only he'd speak up and clarify.
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by mp1472 View Post

After losing tons of weight Ive been building my wardrope back up and can recommend 

Neimen marcus last call
Zanella slacks (awesome quality for price)
Hickey freeman mainline suits sportcoats (need to know the difference of the model names)
Brioni zegna charvet ties 
Variousbrand dress shirts
When they have the additional% off sales i cruise by and always kop a few good items on the cheap.
Luxire.com good value custom shirts 
Some great deals on the forum also bought quite a few pieces ... look at belvest for sport coats amesome quality/price point

Once u find some brands you like theres some deals on flea bay!

Thanks for the list, I'll check out Neimen Marcus.

I was looking for a simple basic list of 'must haves' for starting a more modern business wardrobe. The environment is where most of the men wear khakis and polo, or simply slacks and collar shirts. I would like to go a step up and add a sports coat, and to upgrade my shoes, slacks, shirts but staying away from wearing a tie.

Digging around on Google I came across "realmenrealstyle.com and like this video trying to build a versatile wardrobe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhU84tFUIsM&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL932097ADEEC46232

I hope that helps describe the advice I was soliciting here at styleforum, but looking for more specifics and assurance of some core pieces to go grab
post #37 of 53
I think you need to go find what you're looking for on this site instead of waiting for it to come to you. Explore, click, read, laugh, cry, learn. There are pages and pages and pages and pages of people wearing clothes and other people commenting on the fit, the style, the color palette. Look at WAYWRN and Manton's Good Taste threads, and the 101 threads. Put in some effort and you will be rewarded.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by NYliGuy View Post

New job comes with trying to upgrade my wardrobe. In the past I dressed to be fashionable and experienced some of what John T. Molloy in Dress for Success refers to as “Fashion Failure” where I got criticism over my shirt and shoe choices.
This makes we want to enter this higher position with a more conservative style that will not rub co-workers as the flamboyant dresser.

Building a wardrobe starting with:
Brooks Brothers White and blue, spread collar and button-down collar shirts
Brooks Brother – Fredrick fit navy blazer
Banana Republic – light grey herringbone blazer
Banana Republic – black slacks, brown khakis
Allen Edmonds – Park Avenue shoes in black and brown (*********Will the brown PA go well with khakis/Chinos, or would another allen edmond shoe work better*********)


Any suggestions on how to continue to build a wardrobe that doesn’t make me stand out in a negative way, but more as a conservative and he dresses nice kind of way?

Building a wardrobe starting with:
Brooks Brothers White and blue, spread collar and button-down collar shirts

Get many many blue. Some stripes, checks, various patterns. Get few white. But white isn't as much of a crime as some here say. I believe white shirts go good with brown blazers.
Brooks Brother – Fredrick fit navy blazer

Check.
Banana Republic – light grey herringbone blazer

Personally I think brown would be a better option for a beginning wardrobe. Anyone agree? Blue and browns?
Banana Republic – black slacks, brown khakis

I would just return the black slacks.
Allen Edmonds – Park Avenue shoes in black and brown (*********Will the brown PA go well with khakis/Chinos, or would another allen edmond shoe work better*********)

This works. 

 

I would start working on more pants. Mid-grey, khaki, other tan, maybe even navy although it's 'against the rules' but I see it work great all the time. 

As long as you have 2-3 jackets, 3-4 pants, 7+ shirts and a few shoes, you're good to go. 

 

That's my take, for a beginning wardrobe that you need. I'm still building mine but I keep stopping along the way for non-necessities. I have 4 loafers (3 suede, 1 navy shell), 2 double monks, one punch-cap and one adelaide (I know, wtf).I've got shirts and sport coats covered. I keep buying pants that go great with certain things but not others. Mainly patterned. I need to stop.

 

Just letting you know what I learned from my path.

post #39 of 53
I don't understand why AE Park Avenues are always recommended. I own a pair, but they are by far the most boring and ugliest shoes I own. I wouldn't say they are defined by the word ugly, they're just the closest to it. How about you get whatever shoe you like? If you're given that kind of freedom and you end up with something hideous and not appropriate for the office, well, I don't know what to tell you.

Get some gray pants, some brown ones as well. Get some blazers. Solid navy, brown, whatever. Pick the patterns you like and keep in mind that having things you can wear both in and out of the office is always a plus. Don't be afraid to wear a blazer because it has a ticket pocket. I think people put way too much thought into this. Unless you do something really crazy, nobody is going to care what you wear. If everyone else is wearing a polo, I wouldn't show up the first day in a suit, but there's nothing wrong with dressing better than them as long as you carry yourself the right way and project the right attitude about clothing.
post #40 of 53

AE PA is plain enough to offend on one but nice enough to be dressy and durable. 

post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

I don't understand why AE Park Avenues are always recommended. I own a pair, but they are by far the most boring and ugliest shoes I own. I wouldn't say they are defined by the word ugly, they're just the closest to it. How about you get whatever shoe you like? If you're given that kind of freedom and you end up with something hideous and not appropriate for the office, well, I don't know what to tell you.

Get some gray pants, some brown ones as well. Get some blazers. Solid navy, brown, whatever. Pick the patterns you like and keep in mind that having things you can wear both in and out of the office is always a plus. Don't be afraid to wear a blazer because it has a ticket pocket. I think people put way too much thought into this. Unless you do something really crazy, nobody is going to care what you wear. If everyone else is wearing a polo, I wouldn't show up the first day in a suit, but there's nothing wrong with dressing better than them as long as you carry yourself the right way and project the right attitude about clothing.

AE is probably the best made shoe that is readily available. Of course AE doesn't compare to EG or JL. I would advise to stay away from brown clothing. Navy and various shades of gray...and you are good to go.

One last thing, don't wear Oxford style shoes such as Park Avenue with khaki's or Chino's. wear a derby style shoe with everything except a suit.

My best advice is to stop by a brooks brothers store and they will get you on the right track.
Edited by Xiaogou - 7/9/13 at 2:32pm
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Balfour View Post

^ A jocular response to the implication that because I hadn't tried image consultancy, my disdain for it was somehow to be questioned. 

"You can't knock it until you've tried it" is really the hallmark of the Sixth Form Debating Society.

What prompted me to comment in the first place was that m.i.c. dismissed a rather helpful link to Manton's list as "irrelevant" and provided an asinine suggestion about varying dress shirts. Precisely what I would expect from image consultancy TBH.

It is asinine not to vary dress shirts.
post #43 of 53
Thread Starter 
Purchased some shoes and belts. So far I have the following in my spur of the moment purchases to update my attire and invest in quality over quantity.
BB Fitzgerald sport coat - Navy
AE Park Avenues - black
AE Lasalle - brown
AE brown and black belt
[edit] BB non Iron shirts. White and blue, one in each collar and colot, button down collar and Ansley collar [edit]
J.Crew Bowery trousers - gray
Banana Republic sport coat - light gray herringbone (arms long, need to get some alterations)

Have some other pants from express and banana republic in the meantime before I can invest in better quality trousers.

Any suggestions on good quality and value for buying several pairs of socks? Looking to just get gray and black socks of all the same brand to make my sock drawer easier to navigate:)
Edited by NYliGuy - 7/13/13 at 7:47am
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by NYliGuy View Post

Purchased some shoes and belts. So far I have the following in my spur of the moment purchases to update my attire and invest in quality over quantity.
BB Fitzgerald sport coat - Navy
AE Park Avenues - black
AE Lasalle - brown
AE brown and black belt
J.Crew Bowery trousers - gray
Banana Republic sport coat - light gray herringbone (arms long, need to get some alterations)

Have some other pants from express and banana republic in the meantime before I can invest in better quality trousers.

Any suggestions on good quality and value for buying several pairs of socks? Looking to just get gray and black socks of all the same brand to make my sock drawer easier to navigate:)

o come on grey and black socks booOOOooooOOring check this thread http://www.styleforum.net/t/72565/rock-your-socks-show-your-sock-shoe-pant-combos

And how could you stand to wear br pants made out of various plastics ?? Get 100% wool dress slacks well worth the money and much more comfortable, they look nicer and breathe better than poly plastic pants.

 

Those zanella slacks I told you about are 295 retail I paid 93 bucks a piece for 3 pair a couple weeks ago. A steal for the fit/look/quality and there's tons and tons of socks there I think i'm paying like 7-8 bucks a pair for good quality socks.

 

anyway looks like you're on the right track so far,  you cant go wrong adding a lighter tan sport coat in the summer months.

post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by NYliGuy View Post

Purchased some shoes and belts. So far I have the following in my spur of the moment purchases to update my attire and invest in quality over quantity.
BB Fitzgerald sport coat - Navy
AE Park Avenues - black
AE Lasalle - brown
AE brown and black belt
J.Crew Bowery trousers - gray
Banana Republic sport coat - light gray herringbone (arms long, need to get some alterations)

Have some other pants from express and banana republic in the meantime before I can invest in better quality trousers.

Any suggestions on good quality and value for buying several pairs of socks? Looking to just get gray and black socks of all the same brand to make my sock drawer easier to navigate:)

 

If you want to easily navigate, just get all navy and maroon.

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