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post #31 of 45
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I am considering buying custom-made suits for the first time. Sure enough, there are people to ask about this on the Internet!

I've long noticed the ads for "Hong Kong" tailors in newspapers and had heard a long time ago that this was a reasonable way to get a better fitting suit (compared to, say, a department store). Since I started thinking about this, I've come across what seem to be three plausible options:

1. William Sani (advertisement in the Wall Street Journal, apparently has been advertising there for years).

2. The Tailored Man, Alexandria, Virginia (Ad in Washington Post--I live in the area).

3. Raja Fashions (puts a lot of effort into getting press, for sure).

To define my needs: I am a senior level career employee with the U.S. government, and would like some suits that look and feel appropriate for this type of work.

Would any of these makers represent a step up from buying off the rack at a department store or Joseph Banks? What should I expect, and do you have any tips for dealing with them?


I had a poor experience with Mr. Sani as well. If you wish to buy from him buy only with a minimal deposit and 100% satisfaction guarateed or full refund. His literature does not have a money back guarantee.
post #32 of 45
None of these three are worth patronising> Try Chan, Gordon Yao (who tours with Ascot Chang) William Yu.
post #33 of 45
I was recently in Hong Kong for a few days and wanted to pick up a couple suits. I didn't really know where to go, but I did a bit of research and decided to give Raja Fashions a try. I went there on a Thursday and they measured me up fairly quickly and proceeded to give me several booklets of cloth to choose from. I decided on a navy and a grey suit. It was my first time getting a bespoke suit made, but have had custom shirts made in the past from Maxwell's. It felt like they didn't take as much care in measuring me as the Maxwell guys...but anyway, after selecting the cloth and deciding on the suits, Raja happened to walk in and we started talking. Raja is an excellent sales man. And I mean this in the sense that he is a smooth talking guy...not sure if he's the type of guy I can completely trust. But anyhow, he talked me into adding a couple more pants to my purchase.

They told me to come back the next day to get re-fitted and to make sure everything was good. When I came back the next day, I noticed Raja's convertible Bentley parked outside...his license plates say "RAJA" on it (I will try to upload the picture I took of it here once I upload the photo to my computer). The 2nd fitting was good, except for the fact that I realized that they didn't really ask me about my preferences on the suit...so it was during this second fitting I asked about the lining, the number of working buttons, the type of pockets etc etc. And it was only after I brought it up, they allowed me to customize.

I asked for 4-working buttons instead of the 2 and selected some interior lining.

A few weeks later, I received my suits in the mail. The suits are quite nice, much nicer than any of the suits I own, but I was disappointed to find that the buttons only had 2 of them working and the lining on one of the jackets was wrong.

I like the cut and the quality of the suit, but I felt that they were more interested in getting quick sales and upselling. I want to get a couple more suits, but I'm hesitant to buy from Raja again due to the small mistakes they made.
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by invictus View Post
I was recently in Hong Kong for a few days and wanted to pick up a couple suits. I didn't really know where to go, but I did a bit of research and decided to give Raja Fashions a try. I went there on a Thursday and they measured me up fairly quickly and proceeded to give me several booklets of cloth to choose from. I decided on a navy and a grey suit. It was my first time getting a bespoke suit made, but have had custom shirts made in the past from Maxwell's. It felt like they didn't take as much care in measuring me as the Maxwell guys...but anyway, after selecting the cloth and deciding on the suits, Raja happened to walk in and we started talking. Raja is an excellent sales man. And I mean this in the sense that he is a smooth talking guy...not sure if he's the type of guy I can completely trust. But anyhow, he talked me into adding a couple more pants to my purchase.

They told me to come back the next day to get re-fitted and to make sure everything was good. When I came back the next day, I noticed Raja's convertible Bentley parked outside...his license plates say "RAJA" on it (I will try to upload the picture I took of it here once I upload the photo to my computer). The 2nd fitting was good, except for the fact that I realized that they didn't really ask me about my preferences on the suit...so it was during this second fitting I asked about the lining, the number of working buttons, the type of pockets etc etc. And it was only after I brought it up, they allowed me to customize.

I asked for 4-working buttons instead of the 2 and selected some interior lining.

A few weeks later, I received my suits in the mail. The suits are quite nice, much nicer than any of the suits I own, but I was disappointed to find that the buttons only had 2 of them working and the lining on one of the jackets was wrong.

I like the cut and the quality of the suit, but I felt that they were more interested in getting quick sales and upselling. I want to get a couple more suits, but I'm hesitant to buy from Raja again due to the small mistakes they made.

I learned it the hard way with Raja. They are salesman 1st and tailors 2nd. They suits are not terrible, but certainly not a bespoke experience. I have been visiting Peter Lee at Lee Baron since then, and you can get full canvas suit for about USD 700. Have yet to try WW Chan and other preferred houses at SF due to my budget.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by invictus View Post
I was recently in Hong Kong for a few days and wanted to pick up a couple suits. I didn't really know where to go, but I did a bit of research and decided to give Raja Fashions a try. I went there on a Thursday and they measured me up fairly quickly and proceeded to give me several booklets of cloth to choose from. I decided on a navy and a grey suit. It was my first time getting a bespoke suit made, but have had custom shirts made in the past from Maxwell's. It felt like they didn't take as much care in measuring me as the Maxwell guys...but anyway, after selecting the cloth and deciding on the suits, Raja happened to walk in and we started talking. Raja is an excellent sales man. And I mean this in the sense that he is a smooth talking guy...not sure if he's the type of guy I can completely trust. But anyhow, he talked me into adding a couple more pants to my purchase.

They told me to come back the next day to get re-fitted and to make sure everything was good. When I came back the next day, I noticed Raja's convertible Bentley parked outside...his license plates say "RAJA" on it (I will try to upload the picture I took of it here once I upload the photo to my computer). The 2nd fitting was good, except for the fact that I realized that they didn't really ask me about my preferences on the suit...so it was during this second fitting I asked about the lining, the number of working buttons, the type of pockets etc etc. And it was only after I brought it up, they allowed me to customize.

I asked for 4-working buttons instead of the 2 and selected some interior lining.

A few weeks later, I received my suits in the mail. The suits are quite nice, much nicer than any of the suits I own, but I was disappointed to find that the buttons only had 2 of them working and the lining on one of the jackets was wrong.

I like the cut and the quality of the suit, but I felt that they were more interested in getting quick sales and upselling. I want to get a couple more suits, but I'm hesitant to buy from Raja again due to the small mistakes they made.

Raja is probably the 'best' example of the poorest end of the market. He has made his money (and the Rolls Royce demonstrates that) by effective publicity in the Western world and by selling volumes of crap to the hapless and gullible. Everything you say epitomises his way of working - no decent tailor would conduct themselves thus.
post #36 of 45

Has anyone used a tailor in Shenzen by the name of Adah/Ada?

 

In the main centre i believe, cheaper suits but still holds a high quality...

 

thanks

post #37 of 45
So after about a year and a half of having my Raja suits, I've decided that I need to find better tailors closer to home that I can trust.
Since my suits were made, I've lost some weight and the suits are a bit loose, I'm wondering if it's possible to get these suits "re-fitted". If so, how much can suits typically be slimmed down before it's better to just get new suits? Anyone with experience in this?

Thanks



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Originally Posted by invictus View Post

I was recently in Hong Kong for a few days and wanted to pick up a couple suits. I didn't really know where to go, but I did a bit of research and decided to give Raja Fashions a try. I went there on a Thursday and they measured me up fairly quickly and proceeded to give me several booklets of cloth to choose from. I decided on a navy and a grey suit. It was my first time getting a bespoke suit made, but have had custom shirts made in the past from Maxwell's. It felt like they didn't take as much care in measuring me as the Maxwell guys...but anyway, after selecting the cloth and deciding on the suits, Raja happened to walk in and we started talking. Raja is an excellent sales man. And I mean this in the sense that he is a smooth talking guy...not sure if he's the type of guy I can completely trust. But anyhow, he talked me into adding a couple more pants to my purchase.


They told me to come back the next day to get re-fitted and to make sure everything was good. When I came back the next day, I noticed Raja's convertible Bentley parked outside...his license plates say "RAJA" on it (I will try to upload the picture I took of it here once I upload the photo to my computer). The 2nd fitting was good, except for the fact that I realized that they didn't really ask me about my preferences on the suit...so it was during this second fitting I asked about the lining, the number of working buttons, the type of pockets etc etc. And it was only after I brought it up, they allowed me to customize.


I asked for 4-working buttons instead of the 2 and selected some interior lining.


A few weeks later, I received my suits in the mail. The suits are quite nice, much nicer than any of the suits I own, but I was disappointed to find that the buttons only had 2 of them working and the lining on one of the jackets was wrong.


I like the cut and the quality of the suit, but I felt that they were more interested in getting quick sales and upselling. I want to get a couple more suits, but I'm hesitant to buy from Raja again due to the small mistakes they made.





Raja is probably the 'best' example of the poorest end of the market. He has made his money (and the Rolls Royce demonstrates that) by effective publicity in the Western world and by selling volumes of crap to the hapless and gullible. Everything you say epitomises his way of working - no decent tailor would conduct themselves thus.
post #38 of 45

Raja Fashions? This is not a Hong Kong tailor. This is a bunch of traveling Indian order-takers, barely trained in the art of taking measurements, intending foremost to jack the out-the-door price as high as possible, then sending your order to a Chinese sweat shop that uses cheap, unqualified labor to sort of stitch your items together. Raja Fashions relies heavily upon tons of advertisement and newspaper exposure to constantly reel in fresh batches of customers unaware of its shoddy practices. Company culture appears to be that customers are no more than suckers, to be played like violins.

 

Apparently, based on other hundreds of other posters (whom I should have read first at http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews111879.html), Mr. Raja Daswani has been peddling tons of such overpriced crap upon hapless victims for decades. But don’t bother looking for the legendary and talented craftsman Mr. Daswani, as portrayed in all the lovely press articles, in hope your issues will be attended. Numerous inquiries as to his whereabouts, even before expressing any refitting needs or other issues, were duly deflected. Googling reveals Mr. Raja has taken the fortune made from this business and moved on to making more money in Hong Kong real estate. The false image he has created of himself as master Hong Kong tailor is just being used as a marketing gimmick by whomever is actually running this shop these days. Rooms are reserved in his name, newspaper articles say he’s coming to town, etc. But it just ain’t so.

 

Here just a sampling of the issues I experienced in buying from Raja Fashions:

 

* Two orders, took six months to get all items in hand. Charged credit card same day as order; no problem with Raja Fashions getting THAT taken care of promptly and correctly.

 

* A number of shirts, numerous issues. One shirt was sent back to test the quality of Raja repair/refitting. It was demanded that I reappear on a tour date to get the repair, obviously so that the salesman could try to close the second order. (He got his close.) Two months later the shirt was returned, having not been worked on in the least.

 

* Shirt problems included …. Incorrect collar styles installed. Collar lengths varied as much as 1.5” between the shirts. Some of the shirts had to be sent off to a shop that specializes in salvaging shirts with collar issues. One shirt had a sleeve length 1.25” shorter than the rest of them; I will have to concoct some kind of clever repair to make that shirt usable as long-sleeved. Some yokes (ie, the rear shoulder section) so tight that the fabric will likely eventually rip. Others, cut so poorly they pillow up to the top of the rear collar. One shirt was selected without a fabric swatch, merely upon the word of the salesman; the color that arrived was completely different that then color agreed upon.

 

* About six pairs of trousers. Waist lines varied by as much as an inch between them. One pair had rear pockets 3” shorter than the rest. Buttons and hook-and-eyes fell out immediately. All this repaired at my cost, of course.

 

* First order was shipped to an incorrect address. Customer service was duly informed. Subsequent items continued to be shipped to the same incorrect address. Thank goodness, the people at that address know me and advised me.

 

* When, at first order, I agreed to the offered price without the customary haggling, the salesman suddenly added $150 to the bottom line “for shipping.” What an insult to my intelligence.

 

The only positive facts I can state about my experience is that Raja offers a tremendous selection of fabrics (though they were presented at incredulous prices) … and they actually used the fabric swatches I selected (as opposed to some other posters stating their fabric choices were switched down).

 

This is the second touring Indian “Hong Kong” tailor I have used. The Raja experience, as you see, was no less than horrid - and would have been, even at half the price I actually paid. The Indian touring “Hong Kong” tailor I used before that, not nearly so bad, but his shirts were constructed of un-shrunk fabric that required the replacement of every single shirt collar. And that was just as true of the second order I placed with him, where I pointed out the error and demanded a larger collar size by 0.50” to accommodate.

 

Indian touring tailors masquerading as true Hong Kong tailors? Expensive lesson learned. Next round, I will opt for the solid reputation of W.W. Chan & Sons. If I can even get an appointment.

post #39 of 45

Back before I knew what I was doing, almost 10 years ago, I had a suit made by Raja. I knew it wasn't going to be bespoke, but I wanted a copy of a suit my Dad had made for him in the sixties and it was what I could afford at the time. I wasn't that impressed by the fitting - it was veryquick, they didn't seem to be listening to what I was saying and they made only the briefest sketch-notes about the suit I bought with me for them to copy. When the suit arrived, the lining was not what I had specified, but the cut and quality was surprisingly good and pretty much spot-on what I had wanted. I still wear the jacket as my go-to blue odd jacket today (don't even ask what happened to the trousers... it's a long story!).

 

Raja does seem to have expanded massively however, and if it was a case of a conveyor-belt measuring system and hope for the best  10 years ago, I can only imagine it's even more like that now...

post #40 of 45
What happened to the trousers?
post #41 of 45
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What happened to the trousers?



Well, to cut a long story short, they ended up being a very fancy trouser and waistcoat combination for my 2-year old son...

post #42 of 45
Thanks for being a good sport and indulging my silly question.
post #43 of 45
In a nutshell: Make sure the fabric you chose is a super grade 100% wool. Squeeze and crumple up the fabric swatch using your hands and then watch it "bounce" back. Good wool will rebound back to normal quickly; blends will flake. Ask them if their suit jackets are fused, half canvas or full. Most HK suits are half. See if they have sample suit jackets to show you and, if they do, pinch the fabric between the buttons in the front. Feel for a "third" layer. Look for structure. Most importantly, ask them what happens if you're stuck with an ill-fitting garment. And lastly, do not pay more than 700 for a two piece. If you can cover these bases, HK suits can be a great value. Good luck, my friend.
post #44 of 45

Try "Wear Nice Fashions" in Hong Kong.  Very high quality custom-made suits.

post #45 of 45

William Sani will take your money, deliver the wrong style suits in the wrong size, late and then refuse to refund you for MONTHS.  Don't do business with this guy.

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