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post #16 of 26
Is your first job to fire the recruiter?
post #17 of 26
Good to hear this worked out surprisingly well. Now go do your duty and drink fifteen beers.
post #18 of 26
Glad it work, I have never thing people's offer get rescinded because of negotiation either.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by VinnyMac View Post

Obviously, you're not familiar with the real world. You should take some time to log off of your computer and take it for a spin...especially if you're idiotic enough to think that "more people negotiate than don't." At least you didn't say "negotiate WELL."

In real life, people can be spiteful and petty, especially if there's another closely comparable candidate in waiting. Offers have been rescinded for less. What's "moronic" is getting the offer that you want but trying to negotiate for more when you know that you'll be upset and start a thread if you don't get the job. There's "negotiating" and there's "being an idiot." You're only experienced in one. My guess is that you've never successfully negotiated anything in your life. That goes back to the "real world" comment smile.gif

by the way, i've recently approved five new hires, and two of them negotiated for salary and/or benefits. We did not storm away from the table or stop returning calls. Just a check-in from the real world.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post


by the way, i've recently approved five new hires, and two of them negotiated for salary and/or benefits. We did not storm away from the table or stop returning calls. Just a check-in from the real world.

You're not the first person to make up a scenario to "win" an online discussion, and you surely won't be the last. At the same time, I'm sure that this isn't your first time doing it, and it won't be your last.

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by VinnyMac View Post

You're not the first person to make up a scenario to "win" an online discussion, and you surely won't be the last. At the same time, I'm sure that this isn't your first time doing it, and it won't be your last.

You're a complete fucking moron and no "scenario" will ever hide that.

OP: follow Douglas advice, I'd have just kneed whoever in the balls but I think he is more sensible in his general outlook

"real world": a term used to qualify a work environment where someone is a white collar worker in the private sector in a western company seeking to make a max of $$$. In other words it is used by imbeciles who think the only real world is the one that is exactly like theirs. People who expose their lack of empathy, worldliness and intelligence by using that expression would be better used as fertilizer.
Edited by Fuuma - 7/26/13 at 3:02pm
post #22 of 26
Just wanted to say I agree with the general consensus that negotiation is to your benefit and not doing it may even be to your peril, especially in jobs where you are expected to negotiate on the job say sales, finance, law, etc.

Now how you approach negotiations is totally another matter...as in negotiating like a screaming and pouting 3 year old asking for more candy, or like a true professional literally separates the boys from the men.
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by huoyachile View Post

yes,I wouldn't really be making any more money. So I declined the position, after they wouldn't increase their offer.
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I have negotiated the offer in every position I have taken and in most cases negotiated $10,000 - $20,000 more in salary. I think most will find that the benefits are more difficult but where you can negotiate is time off. My most recent negotiation added to my salary and landed me an addition week of vacation to 35 days off a year.

As a matter of fact I have since hired three people to work for my division and have been really surprised/dumb founded that they did not try to get more money. But then again I really enjoy the process of negotiation whereas most people dread it. It never hurts to ask and rarely do people get upset. My last company I negotiated a very sweet stock option and 1 year severance which at the end of my contract was a nice pay day.

I would say this as a rule of thumb...always negotiate, but do so with respect.
post #24 of 26

yes,I declined the position, after they wouldn't increase their offer.thank you

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post #25 of 26
My experience is that the "offer rescinded because of excessive negotiation attempt" can in fact happen, particularly if you go about the negotiation the wrong way. By that I don't necessarily mean kicking and screaming like a 3 year old that wants candy, but doing things like taking too much time to respond, going through too many back and forth iterations, or trying to negotiate in the wrong area (for instance asking for more time off at a company with a culture of 80 hour weeks). Remember that the goal of any negotiation is to the find the equilibrium where everyone is happy. You want to ask them to move in places where you care more than they do, and stay away from subjects that they are sensitive about.

I don't see this fear as a rational reason to not negotiate your offer. You most definitely should negotiate for anything that is highly important to you, and if that process reveals that the company in question is a bad fit then so be it. I would think that the vast majority of initial job offers are worth negotiating, and I believe that a well-executed negotiation demonstrates positive value.
post #26 of 26

great.They offered a week less of vacation and I wasn't able to join the 401K for over a year. When I took that into account, I wouldn't really be making any more money. So I declined the position, after they wouldn't increase their offer.thanks for your sharing

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