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(Panzeraxe @ June 10 2005,11:47) Anyone ever seen a vegan that weighs over 180 with sharp, well-defined body? Let's try and remember that diet, like life, is all about balance. There is nothing inherently wrong with meat products, or "artifically-manufactured" protein shakes, the same that there is absolutely nothing wrong with eating fresh vegetables and fruits. Both have an important place in a healthy person's nutrional intake. Panzer
There are raw food body builders. When l initially went on a raw sprout diet l developed alot of muscle of my body; it was especially noticable on my arms. (Check out the works of Viktoras Kulvinskas, he is a raw food body builder. There are quite a few bodybuilders that have amazing success, l just can't think of them right now).  Panzer: YOU ARE DEAD WRONG, do some research at least. l am not going to waste too much of my time trying to talk ignorant people into the facts about health. Of course there is something wrong with meat products and protein shakes. They are very harmful to the body. Meat contains uric acid. lt takes the human body 2.5 days to rid itself of uric acid. Unfortunately, meat contains high levels of this substance. So if you eat meat 3 - 4 times a week, your body will never be able to rid itself of the uric acid because there will be a build up. Uric acid means complications absorbing bone strenthoning minerals such as calcium and magnesium etc. Protein shakes are highly acid to the body, hence they leach vital alkaline minerals to the body. YOU CAN'T HAVE A BALANCED DIET WITH COOKED FOOD. Cooking food destroys 85% of the digestive enzymes; this means that the body is forced to provide life force to be able to digest these foods. The LESS external enzymes that are used [from food], the shorter the life span. Also, cooked food acidifies the blood stream [which in time] leads to malnutrition. Why do you think 99.9% of people are nutritionally deficient??? Think about it. As for vegetables, there is alot wrong with them. Please read my previous posts about the danger of vegetables. Fruit is good but only if picked directly from the tree. Fruit is not fruit if it is bought from a supermarket. And saying fruit has nutritional importance is one of the sillyiest satements l have ever read. The facts= fruit is very low in nutrition, the only real benifet of fruit is that it has a hitgh vibration level which is of benifet to human health. No-one really knows why though. Fruits and nuts are high vibration foods. Panzer: you out of all the people on this forum has made the most foolish comments of all. You are making yourself really silly here. lf you persist with grossly uneducated views, l will ignore you in future. You ain't worth my time. Please be like T4phage and Norcaltransplant, at least they have done alittle research and come up with some intelligent questions. Also note: a diet high in  vegetables are benificial to health but we don't really know why. The same goes for wheatgrass. People criticise wheatgrass but they have obvioiusly never experimented with it like l have. Wheatgrass defies science. Science is not yet at the point that they understand such issues about wheatgrass juice. P.S: thankyou for taking an interest in this topic, l will answer more questions when l have time.
Jesus christ - are you living on the same planet as the rest of us? "Raw food" bodybuilders - as a former competitive bodybuilder myself let me educate you by pointing out that the vast majority of competitive bodybuilders are juiced to the gills.. Steroids increase protein absorbtion and nitrogen retention in humans (and yes, specfically vegan humans) by over 195%. Read any of Christian Thibadeua's research if you will. And what's this about Uric Acid? - sure animal meat contains uric acid but last I checked its simply a nitrogenous waste compound that is discarded by the human body among consumption. Plants also contain similar waste products, and they are discarded accordingly. The comment on meat consumption and "acidic" protein shakes is so retarded that I won't even deal with it. "You can't have a balanced diet with cooked food" - Wow. I'm so struck. Excuse me, I have to sneeze: Bulllshittt. Thank you. As supportive evidence of your pro-vegetarian stance, you point out that Meat is also devoid of key nutrients, such as fiber and vitamin C. Of course it is, but no meat eater, however fervent in his flesh-rendering ways, is stupid enough to suggest that meat and only meat should be eaten....you're as bad a nut as the hardcore meat eaters by saying that uncooked veggies and ONLY uncooked veggies should be eaten. In fact, anthropoligists have determined that humans physiology is geared towards meat consumption (along with veggies): 1. The human G.I. tract contains enzymes geared to breaking down animal tissue. 3. We possess incisors and canines"”them ain't for grinding grass, folks. 3. Our abundance of brain tissue is extremely metabolically demanding (consider blood flow, nutrient delivery, redundant systems to support it, etc.) "” so much so that meat appears to have been instrumental in allowing its development Man should not live by meat alone. I'm not claiming that a meaty diet can't become heinously unhealthy, but the same can be said for a meatless one. (Ever know one of those "vegetarians" who eat no actual vegetables but condemn you as they swill cheese puffs?) Anyway, this is the last time I'll respond to this moronic topic. Panzer
He so ripped. Check this out: Essene Activity Marc's UK compatriots
P.S: why do you think that animals eat grass when sick. lt is because they (animals) instinctivelty know that grass is good for them. Try it, wheatgrass always makes one feel better over a period of a few months, Science can't prove why but our own bodies can feel the difference., Pleasse don't read too much into science, it is usually wrong and has alot to prove. Afterall, science and medicine can't even solve the common cold. Science is way off the mark. They have too many vested interests.
Of course, vegan isn't quite the same thing as ovo-lacto-vegetarian.
