Mayweather v. De La Hoya

monkey dog · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by quevola

I agree with you that De La Hoya is underated. What ever the outcome on Saturday you know that he will be a warrior in the ring. I think De La hoya is so likable because he is a class act - He shows up in great shape and makes no bullshit excuses when he loses.

By the way, does anybody know the odds on the fight?

Last i checked floyd was -200, oscar at +160. That was a while ago though.

Floyd is not stopping oscar. There is a 0% chance of that occuring. I like floyd by decision, say 116-112.

mistahlee · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by monkey dog

Floyd is not stopping oscar. There is a 0% chance of that occuring. I like floyd by decision, say 116-112.

That's right. Oscar cannot catch up with Floyd and Floyd can't knock out Oscar at Super Welterweight.

Thracozaag · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by jpeirpont

Mayweather's brash , arrogant and generally vulgar. He fancies himself a sort of hip hop boxer, far more so than even Tyson or Lenox Lewis did.

To put it bluntly, Mayweather is a real piece of excrement.

koji

visionology · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by matadorpoeta

people generally like brash, arrogant, undefeated fighters, no?

lennox lewis was a bad actor. you could tell he was a normal guy just pretending to be brash because his managers told him to.

Not this one. If you watched the pre-fight series on HBO you'd understand why he is such a lowlife.

benecios · May 2, 2007

lennox lewis was a bad actor. you could tell he was a normal guy just pretending to be brash because his managers told him to.[/quote]

Lennox Lewis brash? I think he is one of the least brash heavyweight champs ever.

Violinist · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by jpeirpont

Mayweather's brash , arrogant and generally vulgar. He fancies himself a sort of hip hop boxer, far more so than even Tyson or Lenox Lewis did.

dude it's boxing. I don't care what visions of boxing you might have carried with you from the good old days in the sports yard at Oxford, but it's a sport in which they beat the piss out of each other. It's like real WWF. I think his **** talking adds to the excitement.

He does the whole arrogance thing to piss off conservative librarians.

And if I remember, Lewis was kind of known for being quiet...

Thracozaag · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by Violinist

dude it's boxing. I don't care what visions of boxing you might have carried with you from the good old days in the sports yard at Oxford, but it's a sport in which they beat the piss out of each other. It's like real WWF. I think his **** talking adds to the excitement.

He does the whole arrogance thing to piss off conservative librarians.

And if I remember, Lewis was kind of known for being quiet...

Mayweather's behaviour goes far beyond being any sort of "act".

koji

Violinist · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by Thracozaag

Mayweather's behaviour goes far beyond being any sort of "act".

koji

I'm sorry but pugilism goes back to the ancient romans and probably much farther... watching 2 men rip each other apart. I think it's total bullshit to even pretend it's a "classy" sport. I realize that it is sophistocated in certain ways, but the object is to beat the piss out of the other guy. So, let's stop pretending that it's fencing or some **** like that.

I love Mayweather's trash talking... at the end of the day, he's been perfect so far. I watch to be entertained, and personally I find his unabashed arrogance incredibly entertaining.

Thracozaag · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by Violinist

I'm sorry but pugilism goes back to the ancient romans and probably much farther... watching 2 men rip each other apart. I think it's total bullshit to even pretend it's a "classy" sport. I realize that it is sophistocated in certain ways, but the object is to beat the piss out of the other guy. So, let's stop pretending that it's fencing or some **** like that.

I love Mayweather's trash talking... at the end of the day, he's been perfect so far. I watch to be entertained, and personally I find his unabashed arrogance incredibly entertaining.

I think you're missing the point, but I'm not going to argue it any further.

koji

Ambulance Chaser · May 2, 2007

De La Hoya is the Rolex of boxers -- good, but not nearly as good as the marketing machine would have you believe. This columnist drank the Kool-Aid and calls de la Hoya "the best of our generation." Please. Bernard Hopkins, anyone? Twenty straight title defenses, then moves up two weightclasses and trounces the champion.

Mayweather is just a punk. He trashes the UFC -- a much purer form of fighting than boxing -- as consisting of failed boxers who would lose to any boxing champion. Will Mayweather walk the walk and get into the Octagon with B.J. Penn or Sean Sherk? I'm not holding my breath.

Baron · May 2, 2007

He made a good point about the UFC - there's a lot more money in boxing and the best fighters surely must follow the money, right? I would assume that the best drivers go to F1 for the same reason. I doubt there's anyone in UFC with the pure athletic ablity of Roy Jones Jr.

Ambulance Chaser · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by Baron

He made a good point about the UFC - there's a lot more money in boxing and the best fighters surely must follow the money, right? I would assume that the best drivers go to F1 for the same reason. I doubt there's anyone in UFC with the pure athletic ablity of Roy Jones Jr.
I agree that the best boxers go into boxing because of the money. What I and a lot of other people took issue with is Mayweather's insistence that a boxer could walk into the UFC tomorrow and dominate based solely on his superior boxing skills. The first few UFCs showed everybody that if you only have one skill, you are in a lot of trouble. Boxers aren't used to being taken down, kicked and kneed in the midsection and legs, and having their limbs twisted in unnatural ways, all of which occurs regularly in MMA. And athletic ability isn't going to help you a whole lot when someone is sitting on top of you raining down blows.

visionology · May 2, 2007

The whole point of UFC though is that it is mixed martial arts, not just boxing. Mayweather would be out in a rear naked choke in the first round if he stepped in.

Violinist · May 2, 2007

Originally Posted by visionology

The whole point of UFC though is that it is mixed martial arts, not just boxing. Mayweather would be out in a rear naked choke in the first round if he stepped in.

Am I the only one who thinks UFC is marsupialed?

It's so incredibly technical and boring. When they're on their feet, the fighting is far less impressive than watching someone like Mayweather box. And, 90% of the time, they're rolling around on the ground in suspiciously kama sutraesque positions. It's uncomfortable to watch, and eventually gets so, so boring. I tried to watch it, and I realize that a lot of people here like and understand this sport, but I don't think it holds a candle to boxing. I just don't like watching grown men cuddle and grope each other like a pit of snakes until one can get the upperhand.

I agree that boxing is a much more pure art form than UFC.

eg1 · May 3, 2007

De La Hoya = No mas

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