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post #241 of 2411
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i tried reading a book on architectural theory once. I almost got through a page before realizing i had no idea WTF is going on.

Most philosophy books are bullshit too--because most philosophers are terrible and attempt to cover it up with aggressive verbiage. I suspect this is much the same in architecture.

It's essentially always true in literary theory and "legal" philosophy.

One can either derive from this that there is something mystical going on in all these fields, where only the initiated "get it," or that many fields are simply riddled with mediocrity (would that be so surprising?).
post #242 of 2411
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Says the guy asking for help choosing a rug.

You've never asked anyone for their thoughts about anything? In doing so, are you demonstrating a lack of taste? A lack of individuality? Come on. In my experience, it is precisely the person who fears asking for others insights that lacks self-confidence.

Anyway, while I'm mustering every civil bone in my body, consider how ridiculous it is for this to come from you. You post hundreds of photos of interiors and buildings for others to look at and discuss. Should I construe that you are desperate for others' approval of your taste?
post #243 of 2411

Mafoofan is quite right about Stephenhero...belligerence is a tell tale sign in any industry that something is not quite right. StephenHero is not capable of 'why'.

 

In regards to your ideas on modernism...I read the posts quickly so I can't provide you a point by point critique right now. You seemed to have a Comtean take on modernism, as if the modernist had the intent of creating something perfect that could never be improved and was immutably good.

post #244 of 2411
When I ask for advice on something, it's because I can't find what I know I want in something or don't know about the technical aspects of its performance. The other day, I asked for umbrella recommendations, simply because I don't know which ones have a reputation for not breaking. What I wouldn't ask for is the appropriate color, or pattern, or handle material, etc. of an umbrella, because I recognize those are cosmetic and arbitrary to the function of an umbrella, making myself credible enough to judge their appeal without asking others. Since you asked for our help regarding your rug and furniture purely based on its "aesthetic composition" (first post), that distinction between seeking others' expertise and validation of your individualism is lost on you in your search for validation of your shit.
post #245 of 2411
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You seemed to have a Comtean take on modernism, as if the modernist had the intent of creating something perfect that could never be improved and was immutably good.

My understanding of modernism is that it is the drive to excel in spite of any traditional norms that might get in the way, which is necessarily premised on the notion that the objective good exists and is attainable, if not knowable. The post-modernist disputes the modernist premise ("there is no objective good") and his resulting efforts reflect an effort to expose false genealogies, challenge objective beliefs, illustrate absurdities, etc.
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When I ask for advice on something, it's because I can't find what I know I want in something or don't know about the technical aspects of its performance. The other day, I asked for umbrella recommendations, simply because I don't know which ones have a reputation for not breaking. What I wouldn't ask for is the appropriate color, or pattern, or handle material, etc. of an umbrella, because I recognize those are cosmetic and arbitrary to the function of an umbrella, making myself credible enough to judge their appeal without asking others. Since you asked for our help regarding your rug and furniture purely based on its "aesthetic composition" (first post), that distinction between expertise and individualism is lost on you in your search for validation of your shit.

The function of furniture is not merely to be sat on, eaten on, walked on, etc. Clearly, it has an aesthetic value as well. Ideas that I have not thought of can be helpful in refining my own aesthetic preferences. Anyway, I stated that I am open to discussing all considerations, including practical.

Asking other people for their opinions is no less valid than looking through an art book for inspiration, or reading a treatise on modernism, etc. What distinguishes the intellectual is not whether he seeks other's thoughts, but what he does with them. I thought that was obvious.
post #246 of 2411
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When I ask for advice on something, it's because I can't find what I know I want in something or don't know about the technical aspects of its performance. The other day, I asked for umbrella recommendations, simply because I don't know which ones have a reputation for not breaking. What I wouldn't ask for is the appropriate color, or pattern, or handle material, etc. of an umbrella, because I recognize those are cosmetic and arbitrary to the function of an umbrella, making myself credible enough to judge their appeal without asking others. Since you asked for our help regarding your rug and furniture purely based on its "aesthetic composition" (first post), that distinction between seeking others' expertise and validation of your individualism is lost on you in your search for validation of your shit.

 

Handle material is not an inconsequential, cosmetic matter.

 

I think you may be reading too much into a request for opinions...as is often the case, someone asks 'what do you think of this?'

 

It is bad form to use that platform to ridicule someone...and it is rather scummy to use that opportunity to pose as an expert. Your opinion, in all instances that I've seen, has always been worthless because there is never any consideration.

 

One example that made me laugh quite hard was when you were mocking  garish suburban homes--the loosely defined McMansion variety. You were examining the exterior of the home and you hilariously mistook a protruding structure: the gas fireplace, for a closet. You started railing on the stupidity of the builder for not having taken into account the need for a closet and for just simply adding it to the structure later.

 

It was a hearty laugh, and I thank you for it...but the upshot is this--you are not competent in matters architecture or even building really.


Edited by vernonclark - 6/20/13 at 4:33pm
post #247 of 2411
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What distinguishes the intellectual is not whether he seeks other's thoughts, but what he does with them.

does this mean no big shag rug?
post #248 of 2411
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does this mean no big shag rug?

I think the shag just intimidates you sexually.
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Asking other people for their opinions is no less valid than looking through an art book for inspiration,

No, clown. What you're doing is soliciting others to hang art in your house for you. If you just wanted us to provide you options, you wouldn't have given us a floorplan to allow us the opportunity to vicariously live your domestic life for you when we do the selecting.
post #251 of 2411
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I think the shag just intimidates you sexually.

to be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.

but going forward, I shall call large shag rugs "a collection of pennis"
post #252 of 2411
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My understanding of modernism is that it is the drive to excel in spite of any traditional norms that might get in the way, which is necessarily premised on the notion that the objective good exists and is attainable, if not knowable. The post-modernist disputes the modernist premise ("there is no objective good") and his resulting efforts reflect an effort to expose false genealogies, challenge objective beliefs, illustrate absurdities, etc.

 

 

There is an incongruity between what modernism has preached and what it is...I think the issue I had with your conception was that you seemed to take for granted that modernism has succeeded or, in one case, that a particular chair is the best because it was built on modernist principles. 

 

The general distinction you've made of course is correct, except, often, modernism eschews traditional forms and norms simply for the sake of eschewing rather than because they might get in the way.

post #253 of 2411
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No, clown. What you're doing is soliciting others to hang art in your house for you. If you just wanted us to provide you options, you wouldn't have given us a floorplan to allow us the opportunity to vicariously live your domestic life for you when we do the selecting.

Jeezus. See, every time I try to reason with you, you come back with this shit.

I gave a floorplan because it is a small space. Things have to be carefully composed to fit, and some things won't fit at all. I was trying to provide necessary context.

What kind of architectural expert thinks it's wise to decide on furniture irrespective of the space it's going to be installed in? No doubt your fan bois will come to your rescue, but I'm hoping more and more people start realizing the emperor wears no clothes and isn't even an emperor.
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Are there SH fanbois?
post #255 of 2411
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What kind of architectural expert thinks it's wise to decide on furniture irrespective of the space it's going to be installed in?


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If I had to guess, it would be the person asking for advice from people who have never seen his living room to give him advice about what to do with it. In other words, you.
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