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Foo, while I generally am roughly in your camp I think this statement is oxymoronic. What are aesthetic judgements but expressions of social and cultural conditioning?

On the contrary, aesthetics is the pursuit of beauty. You have to dig beyond the social and cultural, which are merely the top layers, to find or achieve anything meaningful.
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Ice cream > pie > cake

FTFY
post #1593 of 2411
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You've already been provided with several nuanced views. I think your room is either too white or not white enough. Dopey thinks the only two patterns in the room clash. Lefty has commented on the proportions. Manton suggested you get a fake Rothko.

None of those views were nuanced. More importantly, none were convincing. What constitutes too much white or too little? Lefty has stated that the proportions are wrong, but did not give a good argument for why.

Dopey's comment is the closest to useful. However, he is still wrong. My pattern-matching principles apply to outfits, which are worn by people. We do not see people the same way we see their environments. In the case of the former, we see one unit. In the case of the latter, we tend not to forget we are looking at many different elements.
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Foo does not have a "white room", he has a pale room and the idea is entirely fine, some cream, pale greys, white and beige. You guys need to calm the fuck down about his favoured colour scheme. I find it to be very joyous as it reminds me of Häagen-Dazs vanilla+butterscotch or whatever.

I would not personally want to do a truly white room (like the one you posted). I'm very glad that you don't hate ours though. The cross-section of people who like our space is encouraging.
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Why are you getting rid of the Eames? Love those things.

We're not getting rid of it--just moving it. We are replacing it with a Cappellini Lotus lounge chair.
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We are replacing it with a Cappellini Lotus lounge chair.

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On the contrary, aesthetics is the pursuit of beauty. You have to dig beyond the social and cultural, which are merely the top layers, to find or achieve anything meaningful.

I'm aware of all the ink, brainpower, and hot air that's been spent over the centuries trying to support the concept you buy into but I do not. Then again I'm the guy with the least amount of taste posting here...well, next to StephenHero at least...so no doubt your position will be more warmly received. I just tend to think we're meat and bone animals and create our own meaning.
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I'm aware of all the ink, brainpower, and hot air that's been spent over the centuries trying to support the concept you buy into but I do not. Then again I'm the guy with the least amount of taste posting here...well, next to StephenHero at least...so no doubt your position will be more warmly received. I just tend to think we're meat and bone animals and create our own meaning.

I actually think very few people here agree with me on this point.

However, from personal experience, and based on what I know of what it takes to do well in design and the visual arts, aesthetic achievement absolutely requires gathering knowledge, intellectual exploration and a willingness to test your own prejudices. The way I think about something changes how I see it--is it so different for you?
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What?

I buy one Cappellini coffee table and suddenly I'm a Cappellini whore? Come on. If you are familiar with modern design, you'll know that there are only a handful of big manufacturers that make the vast majority of the stuff that is commercially available.
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This color thing is ridiculous.

Beyond Matt's point that color in a room comes from the people using is as well as the furniture, I see nothing aesthetically wrong or displeasing about a room that is mostly white. I keep hearing word's like "sterile" and "uninviting," but those are not aesthetic judgments. They are expressions of social and cultural conditioning. I can't help it if someone is raised to think colorful spaces filled with fluffy-cushioned seating and lots of wood is "comfortable." It's not objectively comfortable or inviting, and it certainly isn't to me.

Is it really so hard to judge this as a different sort of space than what you are used to or what you personally would want? Surely you all can dig deeper than that. It should be obvious to anyone that we did not simply forget to add color.

While the white room has been a mainstay of the past 90 years of elite architecture/design, I think there is an objective basis for rejecting it. That is, in every cultural context other than post-Bauhaus elite design, people prefer color. Perhaps the specific cultural context for preferring white is grounded in the ideological goals of the most influential modern architects, rather than the general preference of every preindustrial culture.
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However, from personal experience, and based on what I know of what it takes to do well in design and the visual arts, aesthetic achievement absolutely requires gathering knowledge, intellectual exploration and a willingness to test your own prejudices. The way I think about something changes how I see it--is it so different for you?
foo, is it not possible that through the acquisition of knowledge and intellectual exploration, you are really just opting for a different cultural conditioning? we're getting back to the old questions of absolute aesthetic values. an honest question, not a troll. and i like a lot of things about the room and certainly endorse your right to enjoy the ones i don't like.
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What?

I buy one Cappellini coffee table and suddenly I'm a Cappellini whore? Come on. If you are familiar with modern design, you'll know that there are only a handful of big manufacturers that make the vast majority of the stuff that is commercially available.

Not what I was thinking at all. I'm just shocked that after your series of unfortunate events you'd go back to the well yet again:
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The damage sustained implies the table is very delicate to begin with, and we observed problems with the table's workmanship that had nothing to do with how it was delivered.
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Ice cream > pie > cake

FTFY

Philistine.
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Originally Posted by sugarbutch View Post

Ice cream+ cake+pie
FTFY. pussies.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I actually think very few people here agree with me on this point.

However, from personal experience, and based on what I know of what it takes to do well in design and the visual arts, aesthetic achievement absolutely requires gathering knowledge, intellectual exploration and a willingness to test your own prejudices. The way I think about something changes how I see it--is it so different for you?

FG gave a good answer. Even when we test our prejudices what lens do we test them through and through what lens do we "overcome" them? I agree with you some people have a much deeper and broader depth of these things but "these things" are not some Platonic ideal IMO but merely a thicker catalogue from which to draw social and cultural ques from. There is probably a reason one does not see much mid-century modern in double wides.
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I think I was clear to begin with but in case I wasn't-- my compalint was not about the lack of color or the all white scheme. My compaint is that the table and the rug look bad on top of each other because of the similarity and scale of the patterns. I think the marble looks bad next to that rug. A white laminate top would probably be better IMO.
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I think I was clear to begin with but in case I wasn't-- my compalint was not about the lack of color or the all white scheme. My compaint is that the table and the rug look bad on top of each other because of the similarity and scale of the patterns. I think the marble looks bad next to that rug. A white laminate top would probably be better IMO.

The first table worked better on these counts, did it not?
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