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post #841 of 1321
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It won't. The debate will now change when there are five legitimate teams (which happens often) to "well why is XXX being left out?"

The thing I hate is that this stupid debate is what makes CFB fun. And any system will just change the terms of the debate, it won't end it.

Also, man, these bowl matchups are looking pretty weak this year.
post #842 of 1321
The playoff should consist of eight teams: the six BCS conference champions + two wild cards (who cannot be from the same conference). This format will not eliminate all debate, but chances are if you're not one of these teams, you have no legitimate claim to being the best team in the country.
post #843 of 1321
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

The playoff should consist of eight teams: the six BCS conference champions + two SEC teams. This format will not eliminate all debate, but chances are if you're not one of these teams, you have no legitimate claim to being the best team in the country.

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post #844 of 1321
Doesn't the rest of the NCAA use a 16 team playoff system?
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post #846 of 1321
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Doesn't the rest of the NCAA use a 16 team playoff system?

They also play home games... the SEC would never agree to play in the north after November for playoff games.
post #847 of 1321
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Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think

Thoughts?

I read the article, but I'll admit I only skimmed it. However, the thing that sticks out to me is his methodology. Why does he use the whole BCS era? No one, at least no one with any college-football knowledge whatsoever, will claim that the SEC was the dominant conference in the late 90s/early 00s. Yes, there were some great teams, but the SEC dominance is a relatively new phenomenon. Let's not forget that Auburn was left out of the 2004 NC game despite being undefeated, and Georgia missed it in 2002 despite having only lost to ranked Florida. The whole "SEC RULES!!!" thing really got rolling somewhere around 2006-07 and then just fed into itself.

Let's also not forget that the SEC doesn't get particularly favorable bowl match-ups outside of the BCS because it generally sends two teams to BCS bowls.

So, yeah, one can argue that the SEC hasn't been dominant for 15 years, but you're not going to be arguing against anyone, since that's not what SEC fans assert. We assert that the SEC has been dominant over the last half decade or so (really a little more), and the numbers bear that out.

For the record, I will say that the whole Bama rematch thing was complete horseshit, and no one outside of Tuscaloosa thinks it was right. In addition, I'm sure the SEC gets a little bit over-credited in the rankings because of past performance, but that's just the nature of the system.
post #848 of 1321
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Originally Posted by js4design View Post

Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think

Thoughts?

I agree with about 50% of this....

Things I've been saying for years that are mostly acknowledged in this article:
  1. The SEC is not better than every conference "Top to Bottom", however in the most recent 10-15 years, the best team in the SEC has been the best team in college football.
  2. Pre-season rankings are the devil .. they're mostly arbitrary and they're contrived to create media-friendly match-ups over the course of the season, assuming things will "work themselves out"
  3. The "unwritten rules" of voting are also the devil. They create a bias that makes it somehow better to lose late in the season than early (the exact opposite of how a tournament works)

And some that are not acknowledged:
  1. The SEC goes out of its way to avoid late season games in the north... actually, non-conference away games up north in general, although a few teams have opened up lately early in the season (Bama @ PSU, LSU @ Washington)
  2. When a conference puts a team in the NC game, each of its lower level teams plays "up" a level in their bowl match-up. This has killed the B1G lots of years where the 2nd team went to the Rose Bowl and got killed while tOSU lost the NC game. That issue ripples 6 or 7 teams deep in those conferences. Also applies to the SEC.

The rest of it is just tripe. I mean really.... say what you want about why the SEC gets into the game so frequently, but when they get in, they win. No other conference has beaten an SEC team in the BCS Champs game.

DO I think this dominance must last forever? No - I'm sure in the 90's, people thought no conference could ever outshine the Big XII while Nebraska was optioning the crap out of everyone. That era ended and this one will as well.

But for now, the best team in the country is usually the winner of the SEC, and a NC win against another conference is just a little hollow until proven otherwise. I mean, if tOSU were eligible last year, ND vs. OSU for the national championship with Bama on the sideline? It would have been a shame.
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That was reasonoable.
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Sark barked, except this time it was for USC. Woof.

post #851 of 1321
I can only wonder how ridonkulous it would be if FSU and OSU get in, Jameis gets charged before the game, and OSU plays the backup QB.

Then what? OSU finally wins by beating a backup or FSU wins with a backup and only proves OSU shouldn't have been there to begin with.

I still think Sparty will win this weekend but I would love the LOLs of the above scenario.
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Originally Posted by SixOhNine View Post

Doesn't the rest of the NCAA use a 16 team playoff system?

I believe the FCS just added teams to make it a 24 team playoff, with the top 8 getting a first round bye.
post #853 of 1321
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I can only wonder how ridonkulous it would be if FSU and OSU get in, Jameis gets charged before the game, and OSU plays the backup QB.

Then what? OSU finally wins by beating a backup or FSU wins with a backup and only proves OSU shouldn't have been there to begin with.

I still think Sparty will win this weekend but I would love the LOLs of the above scenario.

Kind of like when FSU got in over OSU in 1998 after OSU got rolled by Plaxico Burres on a career day and got ROLLED by T Martin's Vols (a team that couldn't win an SEC conference championship or beat Florida while they had Peyton Manning at the helm)?

(FSU lost to a 7-5 NC State team earlier that season - possibly a Phil Rivers team, I can't remember)

#HereComesTheRooster
Edited by ChicagoRon - 12/2/13 at 7:46pm
post #854 of 1321
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Originally Posted by grundletaint View Post

I can only wonder how ridonkulous it would be if FSU and OSU get in, Jameis gets charged before the game, and OSU plays the backup QB.

I was thinking about this scenario the other day. It's not too unlikely.
post #855 of 1321
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

I agree with about 50% of this....

Things I've been saying for years that are mostly acknowledged in this article:
  1. The SEC is not better than every conference "Top to Bottom", however in the most recent 10-15 years, the best team in the SEC has been the best team in college football.
  2. Pre-season rankings are the devil .. they're mostly arbitrary and they're contrived to create media-friendly match-ups over the course of the season, assuming things will "work themselves out"
  3. The "unwritten rules" of voting are also the devil. They create a bias that makes it somehow better to lose late in the season than early (the exact opposite of how a tournament works)

And some that are not acknowledged:
  1. The SEC goes out of its way to avoid late season games in the north... actually, non-conference away games up north in general, although a few teams have opened up lately early in the season (Bama @ PSU, LSU @ Washington)
  2. When a conference puts a team in the NC game, each of its lower level teams plays "up" a level in their bowl match-up. This has killed the B1G lots of years where the 2nd team went to the Rose Bowl and got killed while tOSU lost the NC game. That issue ripples 6 or 7 teams deep in those conferences. Also applies to the SEC.

The rest of it is just tripe. I mean really.... say what you want about why the SEC gets into the game so frequently, but when they get in, they win. No other conference has beaten an SEC team in the BCS Champs game.

DO I think this dominance must last forever? No - I'm sure in the 90's, people thought no conference could ever outshine the Big XII while Nebraska was optioning the crap out of everyone. That era ended and this one will as well.

But for now, the best team in the country is usually the winner of the SEC, and a NC win against another conference is just a little hollow until proven otherwise. I mean, if tOSU were eligible last year, ND vs. OSU for the national championship with Bama on the sideline? It would have been a shame.

The problem with the SEC...the fans. The SEC is not the same SEC of years past. Heck two of your best teams were bottom dwellers in the Big 12. One player (Johnny Football) and a Mizzou team that hasn't won a conference championship since the 50's. 1 year removed from the Big 12 and A&M shows up Bama and two years out its Mizzou.

I heard one mouth breather say its because the SEC helps them recruit better players, and that would be a solid argument in year 3 or 4 but the last time ai checked these teams play Juniors and Seniors.

Here is the kicker. The SEC was dominant because of defense...that's it. And now your defenses stink giving up what seems to be 30-40'points a game (probably not actual). Bama giving up 30 + points to Auburn and 40+ to A&M? Does that sound like a championship team to you?

Truth is I would take Michigan State's or Stanford's defense over any SEC team.

Now I am content to see the cards fall as they may. Ohio State may very well lose to Michigan State and Auburn may lose to Mizzou.

My biggest issue is Alabama. You should NOT be able to play in the championship game without winning your conference title!!! If the cards unfold as above you have to put Mizzou in the Championship game...not Bama. Their only loss came in double OT, but you don't see people singing their praises.

Nobody should cry for the SEC.
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