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post #91 of 477
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

Seems like that applies to roughly zero percent of the non-homless / not completely senile population.

Even Feynman put on a tie to collect his Nobel.

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post #92 of 477
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Originally Posted by TTO View Post



Four Pattern Bingo!
-TTO

How does this not look bad? I'd expect to dislike this but it isn't bad at all.
(Asked sincerely / not rhetorically)

Color pallette isnt crazy. But you have two loud patterns. I'd also say you have two different seasons - summer gingham and a autumny glen plaid (wider urqhart check, the dark overcheck, what appears to be a heavier fabric).

If you agree that this works (even if you wouldn't necessarily wear it), what makes this different from some of the mishmashes you see around these parts?
post #93 of 477
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post


How does this not look bad? I'd expect to dislike this but it isn't bad at all.
(Asked sincerely / not rhetorically)

Color pallette isnt crazy. But you have two loud patterns. I'd also say you have two different seasons - summer gingham and a autumny glen plaid (wider urqhart check, the dark overcheck, what appears to be a heavier fabric).

If you agree that this works (even if you wouldn't necessarily wear it), what makes this different from some of the mishmashes you see around these parts?

I was wondering the exact same thing when I saw his post. He's wearing a blue gingham shirt and a glen plaid suit with a red check in it. How does that work so well together? This isn't really a coherent post, I might do that tomorrow, but just some initial observations. So, my first thought was that I would wear this outfit with a solid tie. Forgive my very bad shop, but this is how it would look like:

This got me wondering that maybe the texture and stripes of the tie manage to pull this outfit together. Meaning that with 3 patterns this outfit would've been a lot worse than with 4.

 

Then I started thinking about the colors, so a B&W pic:

WIthout the blue of the shirt and the red overcheck this outfit doesn't seem to work at all. The patterns just clash. This probably means that the patterns need to be in different colors in order for them to work together.

 

Like I said, these are just some observations. I'm sure TTO can tell us a lot more about it, if he doesn't just unconsciously choose these combinations. Btw, TTO, I hope you are ok with us analyzing your great 4 pattern outfit!

post #94 of 477
TTO generally looks good because he seems comfortable in his clothes, seems to enjoy wearing them, *and* can put together an interesting outfit. I think that the last is teachable. The first two are learnable, but not teachable.
post #95 of 477
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

TTO generally looks good because he seems comfortable in his clothes, seems to enjoy wearing them, *and* can put together an interesting outfit. I think that the last is teachable. The first two are learnable, but not teachable.

I'm not debating that he doesn't look very comfortable in his clothes, but anyone could fake that for a picture if they really wanted to. Besides, plenty of people look comfortable in sweatpants, but they still don't look great. I really enjoy wearing clothes that are sometimes a little out there, no matter what others think, but that doesn't mean they always work from a sartorial standpoint. What I'm trying to say is that putting together an interesting outfit is probably the most important variable. Once you can consistently put together such outfits, like TTO, the first two variables will come naturally over time. I guess the best way to learn that is to look at what others are doing, not with the goal of imitating them, but in order to discern the important elements of an outfit.

post #96 of 477
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

TTO generally looks good because he seems comfortable in his clothes, seems to enjoy wearing them, *and* can put together an interesting outfit. I think that the last is teachable. The first two are learnable, but not teachable.

 

I wholeheartedly disagree.  TTO's look is anchored around him looking uncomfortable in his cloth disregarding how well they fit or how good the color combination they are.  Inorganic.

post #97 of 477
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

TTO generally looks good because he seems comfortable in his clothes, seems to enjoy wearing them, *and* can put together an interesting outfit. I think that the last is teachable. The first two are learnable, but not teachable.

this.

also, i dont think that its an autumn suit. big C, sometimes i think you are off on ascribing seasons to certain items.
post #98 of 477
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

I'm not debating that he doesn't look very comfortable in his clothes, but anyone could fake that for a picture if they really wanted to. Besides, plenty of people look comfortable in sweatpants, but they still don't look great. I really enjoy wearing clothes that are sometimes a little out there, no matter what others think, but that doesn't mean they always work from a sartorial standpoint. What I'm trying to say is that putting together an interesting outfit is probably the most important variable. Once you can consistently put together such outfits, like TTO, the first two variables will come naturally over time. I guess the best way to learn that is to look at what others are doing, not with the goal of imitating them, but in order to discern the important elements of an outfit.

i think you maybe misunderstand comfortable in this context. its not comfort of wear comfortable so much as its clear he is not concerned with the loudness of his clothing or the boldness of patterns. he is not worried about people looking at him or how what people will think. you cant fake that. some people put on bold suits and you can see they dont feel 100% confident in it. you cant fake that in a pic. either you are confident/comfortable in your clothing, or your not. my opinion anyways.
post #99 of 477
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


i think you maybe misunderstand comfortable in this context. its not comfort of wear comfortable so much as its clear he is not concerned with the loudness of his clothing or the boldness of patterns. he is not worried about people looking at him or how what people will think. you cant fake that. some people put on bold suits and you can see they dont feel 100% confident in it. you cant fake that in a pic. either you are confident/comfortable in your clothing, or your not. my opinion anyways.

No, we're talking about the exact same comfortable. I think you can definitely fake it for a picture. In real life? Not so much. If it would be impossible to fake comfortableness actors would be out of a job.

 

I just think that being comfortable/unconcerned is an important variable, but not the most important. Hence the example of the sweatpants, or me being comfortable in my own outfits. Someone can be perfectly comfortable and unconcerned in the most horrible outfit SF can imagine, but that doesn't mean that outfit works. Being able to put together a good outfit, especially when it comes to mixing 4 patterns or wearing an 'FU' jacket, is much more important than being comfortable in it, especially when just looking at static pictures. I cannot judge whether someone is comfortable from just a shot that's up to the neck.

 

Either way, like I said, being unconcerned will come over time, as one starts to 'own' his outfits. Saying that an outfit works just because someone is unconcerned is an easy cop out. That's one of the main reasons why the general public doesn't dress well. So many friends have said to me: "oh I could never pull off that blazer" or "I'd be so uncomfortable". That mentality stops them from trying to step up their game. I'm convinced that putting together an interesting outfit is a skill that can be learned.

 

So, I propose we analyze interesting 'FU' outfits (colors/patterns/cuts/details, you name it) in this thread, instead of saying that it works just because someone is comfortable in it. Let's not take the easy way out smile.gif

post #100 of 477
i hear ya, but ime, at least on this board, its usually rather obvious when someone is wearing something that they really dont feel right in. people here are not professional actors. just dudes trying to dress well. its usually comes off when someone is not confident in their choices. again, just my opinion.
post #101 of 477
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i hear ya, but ime, at least on this board, its usually rather obvious when someone is wearing something that they really dont feel right in. people here are not professional actors. just dudes trying to dress well. its usually comes off when someone is not confident in their choices. again, just my opinion.

I understand, but imagine for one second that you don't know who TTO is (sorry for using you as an example TTO!). You've never heard of him, nor have you ever seen a picture of him. Can you really say that he is extremely comfortable in his outfit from just this picture? That his outfit works because he's so unconcerned? If so, how can you see it from such a limited shot? Surely there must be more to it than just being unconcerned? The expert use of colors, patterns and textures for example.

post #102 of 477
certainly a confined shot like that limits things, i was talking about full fits. which in my opinion, gives the fullest expression of all parts of the fit. close ups helps to show the colors and patterns that are not always picked up in a full fit, but the best way to get the whole picture, is with a full fit, and that is when i think you can usually tell how comfortable a person is in their get up.

and yes, obviously the items have to work for it to look good. that is pretty much a given. but the same items, on a person who was not 100% comfortable in wearing that, would show in my opinion, and detract from the fit.
post #103 of 477
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

certainly a confined shot like that limits things, i was talking about full fits. which in my opinion, gives the fullest expression of all parts of the fit. close ups helps to show the colors and patterns that are not always picked up in a full fit, but the best way to get the whole picture, is with a full fit, and that is when i think you can usually tell how comfortable a person is in their get up.

and yes, obviously the items have to work for it to look good. that is pretty much a given. but the same items, on a person who was not 100% comfortable in wearing that, would show in my opinion, and detract from the fit.

Fair enough, it seems like we agree on this matter! I enjoyed the discussion though, it has certainly made me think about the importance of comfortableness.

post #104 of 477
Count me among those who have never been a fan of TTO's garish outfits. I suspect that he receives so much praise because he is friendly in the WAYWRN community? He seems to enjoy himself and that is just fine with me.

Anyway, this topic is so subtle... maybe the difference in some cases between "NEffG" correctly and incorrectly can only be read in person. But that makes for a poor thread.

In general, I think doing peacocky NeffG well might be all about intentionality and getting the details right. "I don't give a fuck what people think of me; I have an idea about how I'll dress and I'll just do it and I'll look great" can be easily spoiled by, "Well I don't know what I have that will look good with that, I'll just put on this and I don't give a fuck how it turns out."
post #105 of 477
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Originally Posted by Monkeyface View Post

Fair enough, it seems like we agree on this matter! I enjoyed the discussion though, it has certainly made me think about the importance of comfortableness.

fistbump.gif i think people often really agree and just need some hashing out to get to it. i enjoyed the discussion as well.
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