Vintage Ray Ban Expert - Page 29
They're not 1952 as the lenses are etched. The earliest they will be is 70s but throw up some pics of the markings so we can have a better look Kymmy and see what we're dealing with.
It sounds as if the glasses themselves are in order with all the relevant markings. Id hazard a guess that technically they are old and they are vintage (more than 25 years old). Being worn adds to the history behind them. Who's worn them? Where have they been? What dark secrets do the glasses hold?
So your friend is gonna still be pretty chuffed I reckon. Lucky chap!
Edited by benn25 - 8/28/14 at 8:34am
I reckon you have 2 options.
1) Give Luxottica a call and see whether or not they still produce the same style. If they do they may have spare lenses.
2) Buy another pair off Ebay.
Hope this helps
I found it on our garage. It has the Bausch & Lomb logo on both lenses.
Oosterling, I'm not an authority in any way on B&L Ray-Bans, but I believe you are correct in your dating if the lenses only have an overlapping "BL" near the edges. Here is a paragraph from an article I saw a while ago about Ambermatic sunglasses, but it mentions the dates logos started:
The Ray-Ban brand was purchased from B&L by the Italian conglomerate Luxottica in 1999 after which no more B&L Ray-Ban Ambermatic sunglasses or shooters were produced. The small etched BL in the ambermatic lenses near the hinge points was not used in Ray-Ban sunglass lens production until the late 1970s, and the cursive white Ray-Ban trademark logo on the lens was introduced in late 1982 and subsequently present on all Ray-Ban sunglasses including Ambermatics from 1983 onward up until the acquisition by Luxottica. These earlier B&L Ambermatic lenses were of much higher quality, changed color faster, and had a wider range of density than anything produced before or since.
Here's what gets me P.O.'d: You will find people on Ebay selling "vintage" Ray Ban sunglasses with the name "Ray-Ban" written in script on the top of the lens, and represent these as being from the 1970's or earlier! So to all interested parties interested in buying "vintage" Ray-Bans": do your homework before you buy! I hope this helps.
P.S. I've been wearing Ray-Ban glasses since the late 1960's (owned over a dozen pairs), and I still have two pairs of Ambermatic "Outdoorsman" left from the early/mid 70's (NO markings on the lenses), and a pair from the late 70's (BL only on the edge of each lens). I know these are real.
Like I said before, I admit to being no expert on Ray-Bans (even though I've owned a bunch of them). But I can't tell from the photo you posted, as there is not enough clear detail. You should examine the two lenses for any Bausch & Lomb markings ("BL", etc.), and examine the frame (the temples, under the bridge, what the nose pieces are made of (clear plastic, bakelite, etc.). If the frames and lenses are too deteriorated to read any markings, there's not much you can do.
@Vintage as what i have understood from my personal research on the internet regarding the aviator related models on the bridge it always should say (in this order) B&L RAY-BAN U.S.A. This can for some special gold platted variant be followed by LIC (Long Island Crafted).
The above is not true however for the editions: Aviator Leathers, Aviator Flying colors, ... (or it could be under the leather..!?)
I have read that on early models it says only RAY-BAN, i myself never saw a real early model so i cant confirm neither deny this.
Under the bridge is should state:
-nothing if they're before till begin 60s
-B&L XX YY USA for models 60s, 70s and 80s
-B&L RAY-BAN XX YY for 90s models
where XX and YY represent resp the width of the lenses (mm) and width between the lenses (mm) (hint the length of the nose bridge)
n case the the frame is gold overlayed (GO, early) or gold filled (GF, later) under the bridge it only will state something like:
B&L 1/10 10k GF
In later models this GF coding is under the bridge together with the details on the size of the glasses.
This coding means, or at least from what i understood of it, as much as there is 1 gram 10 karat gold on 10 grams of steel..? in the frame. Filled in this case.
Variations are 1/30 and 12(?)k 14k 18(?) 24(?) and GO exist
(where a ? is placed im not sure, i would need to verify which i dont feel like doing now :-) ) so in case someone else knows, please let me know :-)
Indeed as earlier stated early Ray Bans were not etched, this started late 70s. Later late 1982 the Ray-Ban logo was painted on the lenses. Later that process changed. Not sure exactly how it was done afterwards.
Also the laser etching process improved/changed. Not sure what year that was neither if it can be used for identification purposes.
The B&L etching should in all cases exist of 4 parts!! E3 and |_, see earlier posts where this is explained :-)
When applicable the etching is mostly near the hings (for aviator models). There are variants were the etching is on the top part of the lenses, they are suppose to be early models... Indeed in never saw one of those together with the Ray-Ban logo on the glasses..although, i do start doubting now :D.
This way of etching is not that rare, ive seen many coming by last couple of months.
The lettering is mostly vertical, however there are also cases where lettering is horizontal, laying. As far as what ive seen this is merely the case with special lenses (pink, fantasees,....)
With Aviator modes there two kinds of ear pads known, the standard (in black, transparent, bacalit, leather and a wide variations of colors,..) For some editions they can be stamped.
And the curled ones which go around your ears.
Also they're 2 kinds of temples known, the round cable kind ones, and the more flat paddles (luxurious models).
what more to tell....? all kind of models, series, variations materials used, variations in lenses
!! above are not fact as me neither is a specialist , its just from what ive been reading and seeing on the internet and on the glasses i personally own. Although with a collection of 16 glasses maybe respectable, its far from any kind of presentation of what the Aviator line is about.
In order they are : ray ban Chromax, ray ban Caravan, ray ban tortugas, and finally ray ban W2827s.
I'm trying to find out as much as possible about these glasses ie year made, quantity etc.. and I can say this is probably the best site for help and advice to be found on the Web . there is another site that sells vintage ray bans and that has been really good for getting basic info but with the "geeks" on here to help (remember, all geeks wear glasses and a good job too ;-) ) this is the place to be.
I won't name the main contributers to the thread ( I don't want you all getting big heads ) but I would like to say thanks for your input and very informative posts.
Out of interest, who has the biggest collection of ray bans and why did you start collecting?