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post #16 of 26
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Thank you to all for the experienced opinions.  I was a bit confused at first because I wasn't sure if you folks were referring to just Loake and just C&J or "Peal Loake" and "Peal C&J".  Many times you just stated Loake and C&J and meant this whole topic to be about BB Peals made by Loake and C&J and AS.. and not the brands alone- just wondering about the BB Peals.  So, I think I have my answer.  I already like C&J and AS design and quality more than Loake, but wasn't sure about the BB Peal version and how it compared to C&J / AS versions of Peal.  What I initially thought was that Peal required the same quality standards for all 3.  Thus, I figured a Loake Peal was equivalent to a C&J Peal (even though I realize C&J makes higher lines of quality than Loake).  Anyway, sorry if this sounds convoluted.  And I agree with the remarks about a lower quality standard across the board.  I spoke with a salesman from BB last week and he confirmed that leather quality is a notch lower due to tanneries being more restricted and less profitable.  Visually I have noticed the leather quality is down on virtually all brands, and leather soles are far more lightweight than years past- and I doubt the reason is innovation.  But this should be nothing new- all things from clothes to sunglasses have poorer quality to sustain previous prices.  I think demand for quality in general is down- would also explain lousy TV shows and forgetting movie films.  Perhaps a changing phase in culture.. that's my 2 cents :)

post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by PMaximus View Post

.  Visually I have noticed the leather quality is down on virtually all brands, and leather soles are far more lightweight than years past

I'm gonna say you don't know what you're talking about.
post #18 of 26
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With all due respect, I have eyes.  Nothing I said is that "controversial" or outlandish.  I can observe quality as well as the next joe.  Anyway, just an opinion.  You are entitled to yours.. but personally I wouldn't tell anyone making a visual observation and general opinion backed up by a BB salesman that you didn't know what you're talking about... but that's just me.  I wasn't stating facts or or making declarations.  And I could very well be wrong.. 

post #19 of 26
I really doubt that Loake for Peal are comparable to C&J.

They are probably equivalent to 1880 range, better in suede and pebble grain leather that minimize the mid quality leather used, their calf leather age and crease very bad in my experience.
post #20 of 26
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Thanks!  That cinches it for me.  I appreciate it.

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by alexSF View Post

I really doubt that Loake for Peal are comparable to C&J.

They are probably equivalent to 1880 range, better in suede and pebble grain leather that minimize the mid quality leather used, their calf leather age and crease very bad in my experience.

... and some Peal Loakes are even lower than the 1880 line. I think these Peal "Chukka Field Boots" are a BB version of the Loake Sahara from the Loake Lifestyle line.
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-Co.%C2%AE-Chukka-Field-Boots/614H,default,pd.html?dwvar_614H_Color=BLCK&contentpos=28&cgid=0522
http://www.loake.co.uk/sahara.html
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by Fred G. Unn View Post


Those are basically the Malvern, right, but in a custom color and closed channeled sole?
http://www.crockettandjones.com/Product/Malvern-Chestnut#.UYpOpbWTjng

Interesting that they used it on that but not the higher priced double monk. The dub monk doesn't appear to be in C&Js catalog since it's a different last than the 348 that the Lowndes is on. I'm curious why they wouldn't use it. Probably just added cost I assume since it looks like they are pricing new C&J models at $648 now.
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Peal-Co.%C2%AE-Double-Monk-Strap-Shoes/MH00231,default,pd.html?dwvar_MH00231_Color=BLCK&contentpos=3&cgid=0522

This is not a Malvern. It is on the 240 last, which I believe is proprietary to BB.

post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by alexSF View Post

I really doubt that Loake for Peal are comparable to C&J.

They are probably equivalent to 1880 range, better in suede and pebble grain leather that minimize the mid quality leather used, their calf leather age and crease very bad in my experience.

I agree that Loake calf sometimes does not age well. I've owned 5 pairs of 1880s over the last few years and it's a bit of a crapshoot whether the leather will age well or not. I'd definitely put Loake a step lower than AE. I think BB is doing some disservice to their customers if they're selling Loakes as Peals.
post #24 of 26
Are Peals by Loake sold for a similar price to those by C&J and AS?

It's often misguided to try to infer the quality of private label shoes from their maker, but I can't imagine anything coming out of the Loake factory is made to C&J-like standards.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by PMaximus View Post

Thank you to all for the experienced opinions.  I was a bit confused at first because I wasn't sure if you folks were referring to just Loake and just C&J or "Peal Loake" and "Peal C&J".  Many times you just stated Loake and C&J and meant this whole topic to be about BB Peals made by Loake and C&J and AS.. and not the brands alone- just wondering about the BB Peals.  So, I think I have my answer.  I already like C&J and AS design and quality more than Loake, but wasn't sure about the BB Peal version and how it compared to C&J / AS versions of Peal.  What I initially thought was that Peal required the same quality standards for all 3.  Thus, I figured a Loake Peal was equivalent to a C&J Peal (even though I realize C&J makes higher lines of quality than Loake).  Anyway, sorry if this sounds convoluted.  And I agree with the remarks about a lower quality standard across the board.  I spoke with a salesman from BB last week and he confirmed that leather quality is a notch lower due to tanneries being more restricted and less profitable.  Visually I have noticed the leather quality is down on virtually all brands, and leather soles are far more lightweight than years past- and I doubt the reason is innovation.  But this should be nothing new- all things from clothes to sunglasses have poorer quality to sustain previous prices.  I think demand for quality in general is down- would also explain lousy TV shows and forgetting movie films.  Perhaps a changing phase in culture.. that's my 2 cents smile.gif

How can you tell the sole is lighter and not just the whole shoe?

I think Loake makes Tyrwhitt's shoes which are comparable to the 1880 line and generally available at steep discount.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by Pembers View Post

Are Peals by Loake sold for a similar price to those by C&J and AS?

It's often misguided to try to infer the quality of private label shoes from their maker, but I can't imagine anything coming out of the Loake factory is made to C&J-like standards.

Yes they are, with a slight difference which I find criminally insane. It's like when RL charges 1200 for silvano sassetti, when the same exact model is sold at nordstroms for like 400 dollars. I dont get it. I like loake, but as someone said above, theyre far better in suede, a I find their suede quite nice but their calf not fantastic. Anywaym the 1880 line is full of fine shoes. Maybe I'm saying that because my most recent pair was bought new for $130 from a retail store and fit like a glove. 

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