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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi guys,

I'm in the market for a nice pair of wingtips , almost all of my shoes are loafers(ferragamo,gucci etc), I don't mind paying a bit more upfront if they'll last a long time.

I don't to start a vs. thread , but do you guys think that a RL/ Crockett & J or Churchs is worht the price difference over an Alden or AE.

I personally like the color and look of the RL Marlow and Alden LWB in cigar, but not sure if spending All that money I should go all the way to UK mfr., also if buying an american the AE looks like the better buy considering the price difference .

Your help is apprecciated.

Epc2.
post #2 of 17

I purchased a black pair of Alden longwings and couldn't have been happier with the purchase.  The price around $675 at the Alden shop in D.C. and well worth it.  After six months of regular wear there's only a slight crease in the toe box.

post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Hi guys,

I'm in the market for a nice pair of wingtips , almost all of my shoes are loafers(ferragamo,gucci etc), I don't mind paying a bit more upfront if they'll last a long time.

I don't to start a vs. thread , but do you guys think that a RL/ Crockett & J or Churchs is worht the price difference over an Alden or AE.

I personally like the color and look of the RL Marlow and Alden LWB in cigar, but not sure if spending All that money I should go all the way to UK mfr., also if buying an american the AE looks like the better buy considering the price difference .

Your help is apprecciated.

Epc2.

I really love Allen Edmonds and do not hesitate to recommend them. However, if you can get a good fit, the RL Marlow on sale really cannot be beat.
post #4 of 17

I would try them on on and pick the one with the best fit.

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
What about the Church's Grafton ? Which one will you choose between the Churchs and Marlow?

Thanks.
post #6 of 17

How much of a factor is price?

McAllisters are nice and you know they'll last but if you can drop the extra $$ on RL, C&J, etc . . . 

post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Don't like the look of the McAllisters ,of the AE line the ones I like are the McNeils, I'd consider quality and durability over price but the Marlows are at the top of the range I'd like to spend but if the quality is really better I'll consider them since I really like the color and look of them.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Don't like the look of the McAllisters ,of the AE line the ones I like are the McNeils, I'd consider quality and durability over price but the Marlows are at the top of the range I'd like to spend but if the quality is really better I'll consider them since I really like the color and look of them.

Well, McAllisters are calfskin and the marlow line is cordovan, so you're comparing apples and oranges there. In addition McAllisters are balmorals while the marlow wingtip is a blucher. If you like the blucher, you may want to look at the AE players shoe. It's been discontinued, but you may find it somewhere. 

 

In my opinion, there is a discernable difference in quality between C&JxRL and AE or Alden. The difference in quality is definitely not worth the extra $500 ($600 if you buy AE seconds). The marlow line is ridiculously overpriced for what you get at full retail (considering you can get some exotic carmina shell for the same price), and if you're set on those I'd wait till around fall when the cordovan is expected to be included in the private sale. 

 

My suggestion is, if you don't like the look of AE and want wingtips now, look into Meermin, C&J benchgrade (handgrade if you can afford it), and possibly Carmina. 

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by epc2 View Post

Don't like the look of the McAllisters ,of the AE line the ones I like are the McNeils, I'd consider quality and durability over price but the Marlows are at the top of the range I'd like to spend but if the quality is really better I'll consider them since I really like the color and look of them.

That's a popular claim here, but it's mainly just talk. For the OVERWHELMING majority of things, price is always one of the (if not THE) primary factors. You may think that the quality justifies the price, but in the end, it comes back to price.

 

OP, I have shoes from AE, C&J and Church's. They're all nice, but IMO, the AE's are the best value. They can be bought for significantly less money than the other two, but the quality doesn't decrease proportionately with the price; it's more for my money.


Edited by VinnyMac - 5/6/13 at 2:28pm
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by VinnyMac View Post

That's a popular claim here, but it's mainly just talk. For the OVERWHELMING majority of things, price is always one of the (if not THE) primary factors. You may think that the quality justifies the price, but in the end, it comes back to price.

 

OP, I have shoes from AE, C&J and Church's. They're all nice, but IMO, the AE's are the best value. They can be bought for significantly less money than the other two, but the price doesn't decrease proportionately with the price; it's more for my money.

I agree with this. I am wearing the Marlow today.

 

It is the only C&J I own, likely will not get another. Have a couple pairs of Alden shell also. But have XX pairs of AE and feel they are as good as any of the others in the price range you are looking at.

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the help guys ,maybe I didn't make myself clear yes of course money is an important factor , what I mean is that if it will last a lot more I rather paying a bit more upfront but don't really want to pay retail at all, now the RL are priced at $765 with a 10% coupon , but if I can get them later at a sale I'll just buy something cheaper like an Alden or AE.

Any comments about the Church's?

Thanks.
post #12 of 17
Seems like the OP is looking for a pair of long wing blucher or short wing blucher.

I'd say the $500 calf LWB offering by Alden and Alden for J Crew are worth looking into.
post #13 of 17
For the LWB double-sole, I would have to say Alden (shell cordovan). AE's longwings are great but I find Alden's look more balanced (Alden's vamp is slightly longer vs. the MacNeil's longer eye stays). Church's are fine shoes although they will get a lot of bad press here on SF and I'd say between AE & C&J BG.

If I had to choose a LWB, it would be Alden. A sleeker balmoral wingtip? I would choose C&J. For me, these two brands have lasts that fit me well (EGs fit me better than C&J but it has not been mentioned) and ultimately that should be the deciding factor when it comes to the brands you have mentioned. I would caution there is a big difference from soft & flexible loafers to thick & heavy gunboats though.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by VinnyMac View Post

OP, I have shoes from AE, C&J and Church's. They're all nice, but IMO, the AE's are the best value. They can be bought for significantly less money than the other two, but the quality doesn't decrease proportionately with the price; it's more for my money.

A good answer with useful information. Keep up the good work Vinny.

I would add that the intended use of the shoes may play a role in determining what to buy.
For example, would the need be for commuting by car and walking primarily in the ofice building environment (polished floors and carpet) or are they for commuting by public transit and pounding pavement. Welcome to Styleforum epc2.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Man Of Lint View Post

A good answer with useful information. Keep up the good work Vinny.

I would add that the intended use of the shoes may play a role in determining what to buy.
For example, would the need be for commuting by car and walking primarily in the ofice building environment (polished floors and carpet) or are they for commuting by public transit and pounding pavement. Welcome to Styleforum epc2.

Not for a lot of walking in pavement etc. , polished and wood floor most of the time.

Thanks.
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