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post #31 of 219
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRon View Post

I see what you're saying, but I still think the market itself should block the entry of people not in demand. Even if they are not in demand where they are, why would they pick up and move someplace else where they are not in demand?

My opinion - fear in the US is not for the lettuce pickers taking jobs from Americans; it's about the jobs in construction, manufacturing, etc. where skills are in demand.

So - there's a fear that people with no skills will come and abuse the social safety net - but to me that is a reason to fix the safety net.

Second real issue - these things don't work as well where they are one-sided. I understand that. People come here, but then if their skills are no longer needed, they can't leave so easily because other countries' policies are tighter... then we are stuck with people with skills we don't want. I'm not sure how you fix this.

But for the market to block entry US society would have to allow what happens when a product is not in demand. I don't think anyone is going to let people starve in the streets, nor should they, but that's the logical mechanism if we're talking free markets here such that they will provide the incentive not to enter.
post #32 of 219
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Your two points above did not read like that. If what you really desired to say was to bring in paying foreign students and then attempt to convince them to stay? I'm all for that.

Also, part of "free markets" is that the market makes the allocation. With open borders it is not market driven immigration but rather socio-political, unless as I keep advocating, one has an expansive immigration policy designed to respond to market demands by allowing easy access to people in demand and blocking the entry of people not in demand. Free markets are not about unlimited production of unwanted goods, no, it is about making just enough for market absorption with excess production being a net negative. There is a problem when one can find illegal immigrants congregated for day work in any city of size in the US but there is not a similar over abundance of specialized skill sets just waiting for an employer to come along and grab them.

Again, I am for an expansive immigration policy. I am just for one designed to limit negative externalities of large scale immigration and foster positive ones.

I don't have a problem with letting people that go to grad school here for two years have a expedited way to citizenship. At least after two years they know you don't shit in urinals no matter how bad you have to go. I do have a problem with pulling in almost every Indian from their versions of ITT Tech to work as a virtual slaves for Infosys et al. Infosys and their ilk aren't even US companies. Why line their pockets when they sell people that have about zero skills for big bucks and there are millions of Americans out of work.

 

I'm just thankful we are going to have a permanent under class of immigrant labor to toil in our fields and feed us while we soak them for Social Security and other taxes they will never be able to benefit from. It saves us from putting the people on welfare to work for their money. And we will get to send them back home after 5 years and get some new, younger slaves.

post #33 of 219
Thread Starter 
Because everyone knows: a "real Hispanic" wants illegal aliens to have amnesty. Cruz, on the other hand, is a "White Hispanic." And Clarence Thomas is a "White Black."

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Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said Sunday that Republican Sen. Ted Cruz, whose father was a Cuban immigrant, should not be "defined as a Hispanic" because of his stance on immigration legislation.

Richardson, a former Democratic presidential candidate who also is Hispanic, criticized the freshman Texas senator during the web portion of the ABC "This Week" program on Sunday.

Asked for his thoughts on Cruz, Richardson said, "I'm not a fan."

"I know he's sort of the Republican latest flavor. He's articulate. He seems to be charismatic, but I don't like his politics," Richardson said. He alleged that Cruz adds a "measure of incivility in the political process," though he is a "force" in the GOP.

Richardson was then asked if Cruz represents most Hispanics with his political views. Richardson said, "No, he's anti-immigration."




Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/bill-richardson-cruz-should-not-be-defined-as-hispanic/#ixzz2SXCb4I90
post #34 of 219
I think immigration except for certain industries should be closed completely , I simply don't see why we should be blended into Mexico. The whole hardworking, free markets view stinks of boiling people down purely to their economic value, so while I don't consider myself a leftist, it is completely unappealing to me.
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post #36 of 219
Thread Starter 
We know now that with Obama, politics is all and all is politics. Facing a loss in the elections, what better way to stir up the races and turn out the new base than by creating a crisis at the border, and not letting it go to waste.

One cannot be cynical enough when it comes to Valerie Jarrett and her puppy.
post #37 of 219
Using other people's money to take care of illegal aliens is now called compassion. Personally adopt a couple of these kids, raise them and keep them on your payroll as adults if they need assistance, then call yourself compassionate.
post #38 of 219
They should send those kids to North Carolina, so they can work on the tobacco farms, or Watsonville. I bet those kids are just as lazy as American kids.

Fuck those trolls.
post #39 of 219
Just dismantle the welfare system and open the borders already, for.fuck's sake.
post #40 of 219
Need to revamp the health care system along with it, can't exactly have unlimited immigrants getting free emergency room care.
post #41 of 219
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Need to revamp the health care system along with it, can't exactly have unlimited immigrants getting free emergency room care.

I consider that part of the welfare state. Agreed.
post #42 of 219
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HOUSTON, Texas--The federal government is in dire need of U.S. citizens willing to house the thousands of illegal immigrants who enter the country each week, and they are willing to pay them to do so.
The Texas-based nonprofit Catholic Charities is currently seeking out foster families for the migrants, most of whom come from Central America. Ruth Braiser, a spokeswoman for the organization, told Breitbart Texas that foster families can receive monthly payments for housing adult immigrants who are under 23-years-old.
"Most of our children are 15 to 17-years-old," she said. "But some stay in our program until they are 22-years-old; if they're still working on getting their high school diploma, they can stay until they're that age."
The revelation that some of the migrants receiving foster care are adults will likely come as a surprise to many; the mainstream media has largely portrayed the border crisis as involving only children and family units.
Braiser mentioned that foster families will be paid $40 per day for each migrant they take in from Catholic Charities. The payments are funded by the federal government, as Breitbart Texas previously reported.
Foster parents have the ability to collect more than $7,400 per month, considering that they can house six immigrants at any given time.


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/29/Collect-More-Than-7-2-k-Per-Month-for-Fostering-Adult-Illegal-Aliens

I hereby volunteer to provide housing to 6 hot 21-22 year old hispanic chicks who are not fat and have basic cooking and cleaning skills.
post #43 of 219
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I hereby volunteer to provide housing to 6 hot 21-22 year old hispanic chicks who are not fat and have basic cooking and cleaning skills.

You are a humanitarian.
post #44 of 219
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

I hereby volunteer to provide housing to 6 hot 21-22 year old hispanic chicks who are not fat and have basic cooking and cleaning skills.

Someone needs to nominate you for the Nobel.
post #45 of 219
Thread Starter 
We are a nation of immigrants idiots.
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