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LTD or other sub-brand HF?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I have my eye on this suit on ebay:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190805667175?ssPageName=STRK:MEBOFFX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1427.l2649

 

I know it's not mainline HF, but my question is, is this the half-canvassed LTD? Or some other completely fused "sub-brand" of HF?

 

Thanks!

 

EDIT: And as a follow-up question: is it a good buy at $260 buy-it-now?

post #2 of 12
Thread Starter 

Just as further clarification: I'm looking for a decent-quality suit in charcoal or navy to replace my previous go-to suits in these colors, which are unfortunately falling apart. I'd like to spend somewhere in the $300-$400 range. I saw this on ebay however and it got me thinking that it might not be a half-bad choice if it really is the half-canvassed ltd model.

post #3 of 12

I think you can do better by choosing a high quality made-to-order USA company in the $450 to $500 range.

 

Do you have a trim-slender build where the mid-section of the suit could be tailored in to give you that flare - or are you like most of us who are more standard in the mid and there is not much to be gained by pulling the mid area of the jacket in?

 

The reason I ask is that a rack suit in that price range may not be the best solution when an extra $50 to $100 can insure a much better tailored fit and quality when going with a made-to-order suit in the $450 to $500 range.

 

I checked the eBay listing and found another previously sold item for a little less money that is very similar to the one you are looking at:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HICKEY-FREEMAN-Collection-Navy-Blue-2-Btn-Worsted-Wool-Suit-41-R-36x32-1295-/330878924436?pt=US_CSA_MC_Suits&hash=item4d09ebb694&nma=true&si=WbWSQoeljsPHvTQ6%252BfYIArAC%252FrM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

I must say that I am very fond of a company named "7regentlane" , where they have enormous guarantees in both quality and satisfaction that eBay can't touch.  There are two more made-to-order companies in the USA and some in Canada that I have found that have very high ratings.

 

Because you are already willing to invest up to $400, then the reach to $500 is not that far.  This is the same principle I converted to when I went from standard dress shoes to Allen Edmonds shoes (which have an unbelievable fit, quality, and satisfaction free return postage policy in place).  Although I spend an extra $150 for these shoes, this is why I would invest that extra $150 in getting a much better suit.

 

 

Above is a sample photo of a made-to-order suit with 100% Wool in the Super 120 quality range, with an average shipped cost of $449.00

 

There are probably some other forum topics where recommendations of made-to-order sites are posted.

 

All my best,


David


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:56pm
post #4 of 12

David-

 

Do you have some affiliation with the aforementioned "high quality made-to-order USA company in the $450 to $500 range"

or do you always just randomly quote "
Super 120 quality range, with an average shipped cost of $449.00"

 

Inquiring minds want to know...........

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 

Yeah...David, thanks for replying. But if you don't have some affiliation with that company as apollotrader suggested, then you just have a really odd way of speaking. Like you eat, sleep, and breathe marketing lingo or something. I mean, what is this supposed to mean anyway: "enormous guarantees of quality and satisfaction that ebay can't touch"? If I don't like the ebay suit, I'll return it as per the seller's return policy. If I don't like whatever suit I get from that company you suggested, then I'll return that one too. I don't perceive any kind of "untouchable greatness" from whatever site that was. Though those suits did look pretty sharp, in fairness.

 

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I'm essentially looking for the best basic charcoal/navy suit in the $300-$400 range as I said. Anybody else have any thoughts? On ebay, website, or elsewhere? 

 

Thanks!

post #6 of 12

the classifieds here have some neat stuff, though you kinda have to be careful and it helps if you know what 'big brands' fit you. Tried discount stores (T(J/K) Maxx, Marshalls etc) in your area? Depends on the location, but some of them get decent brand stuff at good prices (my local one gets BB stuff and prices sport coats at $200 and suits at $300-$500; I've seen HF and Samuelssohn stuff in that range before, and they even get Brioni, though it's priced above your limits). Brand new at the original store, $400 is a pretty tight budget and there aren't any really awesome choices; you're probably not onto a bad idea by searching eBay.

 

David's got a weird writing style, but actually his advice is pretty normal for SF, there are indeed lots of threads about MTM in the $5-600 range. If you look around for those they're not hard to find - Indochino etc. Lots of different feedback, I've never used one, not gonna say anything. But if you can't go up to that price range, you're not gonna get any kind of good MTM in your $3-400 range.

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Adam, thanks for the additional thoughts. There is a Nordstrom Rack fairly close to me so I might venture up that way tomorrow to see if I can find some lower-priced bargains. So that's a pretty good suggestion imo.

 

Here's another example of something else I've had my eye on:

 

http://www.bluefly.com/Jack-Victor-navy-Loro-Piana-super-120s-wool-two-button-suit-with-flat-front-pants/p/319518803/detail.fly

 

I've never worn Jack Victor, but I like the look of the fabric at this price point and with the 40-day return policy I figure I'll be pretty safe if the fit is off. At any rate, I do intend to have it tailored anyway and 40L in almost every brand fits me (the exceptions being your oddball Zara suit or something like that). But in Hugo Boss, Suit Supply, Banana Republic, 1818 Brooks Brothers, etc. I'm a 40L.

 

EDIT: Looks like they're sold out of 40L in that model actually, but here's something else that's comparable:

 

http://www.bluefly.com/Joseph-Abboud-navy-wool-two-button-suit-with-flat-front-pants/p/320925601/detail.fly

 

I popped on a Joseph Abboud blazer in 40L during my last trip to the Nordstrom Rack and it fit like a glove, so I'm thinking this may not be a bad bet.

 

Thoughts?


Edited by mrxenyo - 4/19/13 at 11:13pm
post #8 of 12

Cool. If you haven't seen it yet, this thread:

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/140387/the-styleforum-working-hierarchical-suit-quality-list-sfwhsql

 

And particularly this post:

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/140387/the-styleforum-working-hierarchical-suit-quality-list-sfwhsql/660#post_6287247

 

do a decent job of summarizing the SF Groupthink on various brands. If you want SF's advice, you basically want to be looking for anything at 'Satisfactory' or above that you can find discounted to your price range (AFAIK, they all retail above it). That's not unreasonable - you can definitely find quite a lot of things in the Satisfactory list discounted below $400, and possibly one or two in the Good list if you get lucky (most likely HF, BB BF, Samuelsohn). Good luck!

post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I discovered that epic hierarchy thread earlier this afternoon. Really, that thing is like some kind of crowning achievement. It's like US News and World Report College Rankings for suits. tongue.gif 

 

I've gotta say though, that I suspect I may be easier to please than most since I've always thought that my Hugo Boss suits have looked awesome. Only issue has been durability after a few dry cleanings, but from what I've been able to gather this afternoon that has something to do with the fact that they are fused and that better quality suits tend to be at least half-canvassed. Hence my initial post about venturing into that realm. But since money is unfortunately really tight right now for me, I'm looking to get one without spending a whole lot. So that's why I feel like those bluefly suits have looked the most promising thus far--the description itself indicates that it is canvassed.

 

I guess I just want to confirm with the community that this isn't some hideous mistake before I pull the trigger. I'll check this again in the AM before I buy to see if any additional thoughts have been added. But again Adam, David, and Apollo: thank you for the valuable feedback. 

post #10 of 12

mrxenyo: I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as a lot of guys here, but since no-one else was chipping in, I'm doing my best ;) Yeah, fused vs. half-canvassed vs. canvassed is a big deal here. My take based on no professional knowledge of clothes but 20 years of professional knowledge of internet groupthink is that that's about 50% real, 50% hive mind effect; seems pretty clear that canvassed construction is superior to fused, but fused suits on balance probably aren't *really* the source of all the world's evils and the ultimate cause of cancer. Anyhoo. One of the major knocks on fused suits is indeed durability, though other people say it's overblown and modern fused suits last just fine (I have some fused stuff that's been dry cleaned quite a few times and none of it has started falling apart yet, for whatever that's worth). From all I know, fused suits can indeed 'look awesome', and it is an SF truism that a $99 suit that fits you correctly looks better than a $5k suit that does not fit you.

 

For whatever it's worth - and I ain't offering refunds - the eBay auction you linked doesn't look like a hideous mistake, no. Well, I don't like centre vents, but eh. If you pull the trigger, let us know how you feel.

 

If it was a hideous mistake, I expect one of the more mean-spirited regulars would have shown up to point at you and laugh by now, so probably not. But that's "AdamW's internet forum dynamics" again. ;)

post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by mrxenyo View Post

Yeah...David, thanks for replying. But if you don't have some affiliation with that company as apollotrader suggested, then you just have a really odd way of speaking. Like you eat, sleep, and breathe marketing lingo or something. I mean, what is this supposed to mean anyway: "enormous guarantees of quality and satisfaction that ebay can't touch"? If I don't like the ebay suit, I'll return it as per the seller's return policy. If I don't like whatever suit I get from that company you suggested, then I'll return that one too. I don't perceive any kind of "untouchable greatness" from whatever site that was. Though those suits did look pretty sharp, in fairness. 

 

Thanks!

I like your idea about going to a Nordstrom Rack.  They are in the best all-time records of customer satisfaction, even after you have worn their clothes and shoes and wish a full refund.  

 

You also may wish to go to the Nordstrom Rack web site to get a taste of what brands of suits they have, along with the pricing.  I found some in the price range you were looking at.

 

As for Bluefly, they have an A+ Rating with the Better Business Bureau, even though they had some rough spots a few years ago with taking 2 months to refund customers who returned their suits.  

 

It can be a challenge to purchase a suit off the internet the first time, and you are wise to come here and ask others for their advice, and then make up your own mind.

 

But as others have mentioned, perhaps the best course of action is to do what you are doing with reasonable due diligence before investing $300 to $400 in a suit - and then go with your gut.  If the suit purchase works out well, then all the kudos to you for picking a winner.  If it does not, then whatever the final outcome will still serve you well in experience.  (My old boss, Jim Rohn, told me that if I could not make up my mind while sitting on the fence, then it was better to choose a side to jump off on - even though it might be the wrong side of the fence -  so that I would learn quicker)

 

My very best to you,

 

David

 

PS:  I have no affiliation with anything I recommend.  These are my own personal opinions and I wish no one any ill will when expressing them.


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:56pm
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks again everyone. I decided to go ahead and order the second bluefly suit: http://www.bluefly.com/Joseph-Abboud-navy-wool-two-button-suit-with-flat-front-pants/p/320925601/detail.fly since it is within my budget for a single suit. It seems like a pretty good deal for a garment that is at least partially canvassed according to the description. It may only be "mediocre," but as I said it's within my budget and I suspect I will be easier to please than many on here. Plus, I can always return it if I'm unhappy.

 

I'm off to the Nordstrom Rack now to see if I can find a reasonably priced charcoal suit within roughly the same range. If I can't, and the suit I receive from bluefly works for me, I may just end up ordering from them again. 

 

On the point re: no one else chipping in: it's completely understandable on a forum where there are a million other threads with guys in exactly the same situation. That's why I originally confined my remarks to one suit found on ebay instead of just saying "help me, I need a good suit for $400"). (Still wondering about that suit by the way...was it the LTD?).

 

Once I start making a little more money, however, I intend to take David up on the suggestion to investigate MTM stuff. Again, many thanks for all the helpful recommendations David, Adam, and Apollo.

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