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post #136 of 645

Any photos up of the store?

post #137 of 645
Yeah, the sample sale was there last year. Sort of an obscure location, but probably has a low overhead cost. Roden Gray's stock has been pretty shitty lately, so hopefully these guys hold up the load... and maybe pull stuff for the "heavily invested return customers".
post #138 of 645
Photos from the Wings & Horns facebook page:

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post #139 of 645
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space looks nice

$1000 topcoats are starting to make sense now.
post #140 of 645
Gdl's offering hand made rain coats for less than that. Not to mention MMM/Dries etc. type stuff on sale hits around $1000.
post #141 of 645
This conversation about price is silly. W+H prices its stuff-- even the 950 cad coats-- within the same ballpark as other midrange brands like R&B, APC, Barena etc. If you wanted a similar item from an established house like mmm, Jil, etc, the price would be at least $1700 give or take $100. If anything, everyone's prices have risen regardless of "tier", a phenomenon that's been pretty well documented, though maybe we could count folks like Schneider as an exception. But either way, Wings + Horns isn't on some renegade price-increasing rampage that's out of step with its peers. And you're not paying established-house prices for Wings + Horns.
Edited by Bam!ChairDance - 10/8/13 at 11:13pm
post #142 of 645
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

This conversation about price is silly. W+H prices its stuff-- even the 950 cad coats-- within the same ballpark as other midrange brands like R&B, APC, Barena etc. If you wanted a similar item from an established house like mmm, Jil, etc, the price would be at least $1700 give or take $100. If anything, everyone's prices have risen regardless of "tier", a phenomenon that's been pretty well documented, though maybe we could count folks like Schneider as an exception. But either way, trust me. You're not paying established-house prices for Wings + Horns.

your mid-tier net is a bit larger than mine, but not withstanding...apc and barena are both ~$2-400 cheaper based on a quick google.

I think the issue most folks are responding to here is price inflation due to increasing popularity. it's bound to happen, and frankly if I ran a clothing company, I'd likely attempt to hit the same tap, but w+h seems to be doing it in a slightly excessive manner.

I'm not even saying the quality isn't good or has deteriorated, but at $1000+, I need something special to justify the cost aside from solid construction.
post #143 of 645
There are two statements here that we need to keep separate:

1. W+H's price increase is out-of-step with the perceived quality.

2. W+H's price increases are excessive relative to the category

The first statement is pretty subjective and totally your call, but look around most webstores and the second statement will fall apart pretty quickly. Commenters have made it seem as if W+H has been an exception with regard to price increases, when really it's been a category-wide phenomenon.
post #144 of 645
IIRC APC has something similar for ~ $700 I saw at a local B&M.
post #145 of 645
I think that it also hinges upon the fact that W+H doesn't carry the appearance of a 'high fashion' brand; it focusses on basics, repeats the same fabrics/styles, and up to a point, was priced fairly reasonably if you were to look at it from a quality standpoint. By that, I mean that it was a huge step up in fabrics and construction from mall brands, for a justifiable premium. I know that's how I came across W+H, anyway.
post #146 of 645
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

There are two statements here that we need to keep separate:

1. W+H's price increase is out-of-step with the perceived quality.

2. W+H's price increases are excessive relative to the category

The first statement is pretty subjective and totally your call, but look around most webstores and the second statement will fall apart pretty quickly. Commenters have made it seem as if W+H has been an exception with regard to price increases, when really it's been a category-wide phenomenon.

price increases have happened and will continue to, but 20+% increases are anything from industry standard.
post #147 of 645
Dunno man the industry standard is a little grimmer than you think. Check out this article from Business of Fashion:
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Currently on luxury e-tailer Net-a-Porter, there are more than 100 pairs of shoes priced over $1,000. (Two pairs of sparkly Christian Louboutins exceed $6,000.) And the price of Chanel’s famous 2.55 bag now rivals that of an Hermès Kelly. That is, an Hermès Kelly a decade ago. In the US market, the famous bag, which in the year 2000 started at $4,800, now starts at $7,600.

A nearly 60 percent price increase may seem excessive — especially when compared to the US Consumer Price Index (a measure of the price level of consumer goods, published by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics), which has increased by 27 percent over the past decade — but it’s typical in the luxury fashion category.

Indeed, in recent years, prices of luxury fashion products have grown at more than twice the rate of general inflation. In 2003, Carrie Bradshaw’s famous Manolo Blahniks cost $485. Exactly ten years later, the same style is $755, a 56 percent increase. (And several pairs of current season Manolos cost well above $1,000.) Ready-to-wear-dresses in the $10,000 and up range barely existed 10 years ago. Now they’re commonplace. In fact, popular luxury fashion e-commerce site Luisa Via Roma is currently selling a Fausto Puglisi embroidered tartan skirt for over $10,000 and a leather-and-bouclé Fendi dress for more than $13,000.

Edited by Bam!ChairDance - 10/8/13 at 11:49pm
post #148 of 645
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Originally Posted by Bam!ChairDance View Post

1. I know several folks have pointed out coats that cost less than the w+h, but other mid-tier brands like acne and r&b have a handful of coats that are even more expensive

2. The industry standard is a little grimmer than you think. Check out this article from Business of Fashion:
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Currently on luxury e-tailer Net-a-Porter, there are more than 100 pairs of shoes priced over $1,000. (Two pairs of sparkly Christian Louboutins exceed $6,000.) And the price of Chanel’s famous 2.55 bag now rivals that of an Hermès Kelly. That is, an Hermès Kelly a decade ago. In the US market, the famous bag, which in the year 2000 started at $4,800, now starts at $7,600.

A nearly 60 percent price increase may seem excessive — especially when compared to the US Consumer Price Index (a measure of the price level of consumer goods, published by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics), which has increased by 27 percent over the past decade — but it’s typical in the luxury fashion category.

Indeed, in recent years, prices of luxury fashion products have grown at more than twice the rate of general inflation. In 2003, Carrie Bradshaw’s famous Manolo Blahniks cost $485. Exactly ten years later, the same style is $755, a 56 percent increase. (And several pairs of current season Manolos cost well above $1,000.) Ready-to-wear-dresses in the $10,000 and up range barely existed 10 years ago. Now they’re commonplace. In fact, popular luxury fashion e-commerce site Luisa Via Roma is currently selling a Fausto Puglisi embroidered tartan skirt for over $10,000 and a leather-and-bouclé Fendi dress for more than $13,000.


two things:
(1) w+h isn't manolo blahnik...nor margiela, nor rick...it's not a 'fashion' brand.
(2) even a 56% price increase on manolo over the course of 5 years equates a ~10% yearly increase, not 20+% increase on a mid tier brand like w+h

bed time...holla, ngas
post #149 of 645
Either way, it's senseless to talk about W+H's price increases without taking into account the market forces driving up prices everywhere in the category. Y'all are talking about 950 CAD melton coats as if they're an aberration, but really it's part of a much broader phenomenon, regardless of how many $700 melton wool coats you can still find on the market.

Like, if the brand's prices no longer reflect what you feel the quality should be worth, that's cool whatever. But you can't reasonably claim the prices have reached some stratospheric height that stands apart from the industry as a whole.
post #150 of 645
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

Gdl's offering hand made rain coats for less than that. Not to mention MMM/Dries etc. type stuff on sale hits around $1000.

Sorry who is "GDL" ?

Thanks.
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