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post #46 of 59
Originally posted by marc37:
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lt's a pity we don't get the best. Australians should get first choice of the best of everything. Maybe we have the best Santoni's in the world, the creme de la creme of the Santoni's at 50% al la Vergelio. Surely a shop wouldn't rip up the original Santoni insole just to put `Vergelio by Santoni'??
It is called rebranding. Something you should know as a "shoo expert". Many many many stores order shoes/suits/etc. from the manufacturer, and have the store name along with the manufacturers name. I have seen Santonis labelled with "Santoni for (or "per") ............", along with many other brands eg. Mantellassi, Testoni, yes - even John Lobb (in a store in Lucca, Italy).
post #47 of 59
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Originally posted by marc37:
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The best Santoni line l have seen is `Santoni for Vergelio'; even better than brown sock Fatte a mano's. The Vergelio is even more solid than the [most solid] fatte a mano. Here is a link to a recent forum discussion that provides alittle chit-chat about Santoni and other high end italian shoes:
I really wonder about you marc37    - just recently you didn't know much about Santonis..... I had spoken to the Santoni rep in the Netherlands about the various "qualities" of their RTW shoes, indeed it is the tan serrated "fatte a mano"s with the bentivegna lasted shoes being the top, followed by the "regular" Andrea Santoni written is script around the heel.  When I mentioned this "Vergelio" of yours, he had NEVER heard of it as a line, he thought more likely that it was Santoni's ordered by a store.  Unless of course, they order the very very best in Australia, and not here nor Italy   .
l've seen many Magli's and Moreshci's in Oz. The moreshci has always struck me as a better shoe, l have never worn magli though. Then again; after wrecking a pair of Moreshci's after only 6 wears, l will get artioli bespoke instead of moreshci in future. lt is very interesting how maglis are perceived as better [than moreshci] in Europe. There have been quite a few  seasons of ordinary looking moreshci's but this seasons are really nice. We don''t seem to get the really top Maglis in Oz [not like the photo's on the website]. What do other people think? Are Magli better than Moreshci? Anyone ever heard of Hobson or Aldo Brue?
post #48 of 59
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Surely a shop wouldn't rip up the original Santoni insole just to put `Vergelio by Santoni'??
It is called rebranding.  Something you should know as a "shoo expert". Many many many stores order shoes/suits/etc. from the manufacturer, and have the store name along with the manufacturers name.  I have seen Santonis labelled with "Santoni for (or "per") ............", along with many other brands eg. Mantellassi, Testoni, yes - even John Lobb (in a store in Lucca, Italy).[/quote] Yeah, yeah ,yeah. l am aware of rebranding but l have never come across rebranded Santoni's before: that is news to me.
post #49 of 59
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 No I didn't think so, I was just kidding.. btw. did you check out Erik's on Wednesday?  What did you think?
I did go there. Wow. Didn't buy anything though: budget constraints   .
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I really wonder about you marc37    - just recently you didn't know much about Santonis..... I had spoken to the Santoni rep in the Netherlands about the various "qualities" of their RTW shoes, indeed it is the tan serrated "fatte a mano"s with the bentivegna lasted shoes being the top, followed by the "regular" Andrea Santoni written is script around the heel.
This is good news... My Santoni's are tan lined with script "Andrea Santoni - fatte a mano", but without the serrated edge. Then again, I saw that exact same shoe at a shoe-store with the orange 'sock' (T4Phage, the store was Albert Nolten across from Erik's). So I'm still confused . Can the Santoni rep perhaps shed some light? MtB
post #50 of 59
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(T4phage @ 27 June 2004, 10:22)  No I didn't think so, I was just kidding.. btw. did you check out Erik's on Wednesday?  What did you think?
I did go there. Wow. Didn't buy anything though: budget constraints   .
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I really wonder about you marc37    - just recently you didn't know much about Santonis..... I had spoken to the Santoni rep in the Netherlands about the various "qualities" of their RTW shoes, indeed it is the tan serrated "fatte a mano"s with the bentivegna lasted shoes being the top, followed by the "regular" Andrea Santoni written is script around the heel.
This is good news... My Santoni's are tan lined with script "Andrea Santoni - fatte a mano", but without the serrated edge. Then again, I saw that exact same shoe at a shoe-store with the orange 'sock' (T4Phage, the store was Albert Nolten across from Erik's). So I'm still confused . Can the Santoni rep perhaps shed some light? MtB
Nice shoes at Erik's ja? I'm still miffed that I bought my shoe prior to the sale... I'll check out the orange socked boot at Nolten's this week, most of the orange socked I've seen were blake lasted (you can see the stitching inside the shoe), but there are a few goodyear ones. I think I know what you are talking about, the smooth leather boot. By the way, there was a pair of wingtips (fatte a mano) at Nolten's on sale. What the Santoni rep told me regarding the orange socked Santoni's were that they were the "hip", more fashion forward line of Santoni, albeit with the same quality leathers as the tan socked version (from their "farms" in France), but with less handwork - i.e, you won't be seeing those models with the norwegian welting, or bentivegna.
post #51 of 59
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Nice shoes at Erik's ja?     I'm still miffed that I bought my shoe prior to the sale...
Ja, prachtige schoenen. Sorry to hear that you were too early in buying your shoes, but you can't have it all   .
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I'll check out the orange socked boot at Nolten's this week, most of the orange socked I've seen were blake lasted (you can see the stitching inside the shoe), but there are a few goodyear ones.  I think I know what you are talking about, the smooth leather boot.  By the way, there was a pair of wingtips (fatte a mano) at Nolten's on sale.
Hmm, the plot thickens, because I can see stitching on the sole of the shoe on the inside. So, (almost) top quality blake lasted Santoni's?? I missed the wingtips.  
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What the Santoni rep told me regarding the orange socked Santoni's were that they were the "hip", more fashion forward line of Santoni, albeit with the same quality leathers as the tan socked version (from their "farms" in France), but with less handwork - i.e, you won't be seeing those models with the norwegian welting, or bentivegna.
Well, my girlfriend thought my new Santoni's 'hip' and that is saying something   . MtB. P.S. Small reminder:
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No hope for a master class in shoe construction is there?  
post #52 of 59
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(T4phage @ 28 June 2004, 02:20) Nice shoes at Erik's ja?     I'm still miffed that I bought my shoe prior to the sale...
Ja, prachtige schoenen. Sorry to hear that you were too early in buying your shoes, but you can't have it all   .
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I'll check out the orange socked boot at Nolten's this week, most of the orange socked I've seen were blake lasted (you can see the stitching inside the shoe), but there are a few goodyear ones.  I think I know what you are talking about, the smooth leather boot.  By the way, there was a pair of wingtips (fatte a mano) at Nolten's on sale.
Hmm, the plot thickens, because I can see stitching on the sole of the shoe on the inside. So, (almost) top quality blake lasted Santoni's?? I missed the wingtips.  
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What the Santoni rep told me regarding the orange socked Santoni's were that they were the "hip", more fashion forward line of Santoni, albeit with the same quality leathers as the tan socked version (from their "farms" in France), but with less handwork - i.e, you won't be seeing those models with the norwegian welting, or bentivegna.
Well, my girlfriend thought my new Santoni's 'hip' and that is saying something   . MtB. P.S. Small reminder:
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No hope for a master class in shoe construction is there?  
Ja heel mooie schoenen I checked out the sales in Paris this weekend (specifically Lobb to check out the fit of the Jerymn 2 and no the Jerymn2 was not on sale , I'm not so sure I liked the nose though). Didn't buy any shoes though. As for the master class in shoe construction, maybe Tony Gaziano could hold on , or maybe Bengal-Stripe could have a remedial class . Your Santoni's sound like they may be the same as the Orange socked version, maybe Klijsen's ordered it that way (although that would be odd since they do have several orange socked Santonis).
post #53 of 59
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As for the master class in shoe construction, maybe Tony Gaziano could hold on   , or maybe Bengal-Stripe could have a remedial class   . Your Santoni's sound like they may be the same as the Orange socked version, maybe Klijsen's ordered it that way (although that would be odd since they do have several orange socked Santonis).
I'd sign up for those classes. And yes, I was beginning to suspect the same thing regarding my Santoni's. But thanks for all the help in determining. MtB
post #54 of 59
Originally posted by Looking to Improve:
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...This is good news... My Santoni's are tan lined with script "Andrea Santoni - fatte a mano", but without the serrated edge. Then again, I saw that exact same shoe at a shoe-store with the orange 'sock' (T4Phage, the store was Albert Nolten across from Erik's). So I'm still confused ...
Had a look at them yesterday (left the lab early ), they were indeed "blake" lasted, and from RIDER's post in another topic, also "Rapid". Very Very nice shoes. Did you notice the new Santoni's in the window? The long, sleek wingtip? As a note, they still have a few "fatte a mano"s on sale, a monkstrap with hand stitched apron for about Euro 250 and a few wingtips.
post #55 of 59
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Had a look at them yesterday (left the lab early  ), they were indeed "blake" lasted, and from RIDER's post in another topic, also "Rapid". Very Very nice shoes. Did you notice the new Santoni's in the window? The long, sleek wingtip? As a note, they still have a few "fatte a mano"s on sale, a monkstrap with hand stitched apron for about Euro 250 and a few wingtips.
It's always nice to leave early, especially with yesterday's weather . Thank you for solving most of the mystery, now all that remais is to explain the use of a tan sock rather than an orange sock   . Also, thank you for the compliments on the shoes   . I missed the wingtips   . Probably a good thing too, because I really don't want to spend too much money on clothing for some time. I'm already way over the budget I set for myself... To make matters worse, there's a second Maffeis m-t-m on the way (with some modifications) and I still want to make some purchases later in the year (suit and 3rd Maffeis). But all after returning from my vacation , so in october at the earliest. I can hardly wait. Sadly, all this means a new pair of Greens will have to wait 'till next year . MtB. *Edited to correct typing errors
post #56 of 59
Originally posted by Looking to Improve:
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...Sadly, all this means a new pair of Greens will have to wait 'till next year .
Actually, why don't you call E.Green in London, apparently they will let you know which shoes in your size are on sale, and at about Euro 430, nearly half price. Sorry for trying to break your budget.
post #57 of 59
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As for the master class in shoe construction, maybe Tony Gaziano could hold on, or maybe Bengal-Stripe could have a remedial class
I am working on my magnum opus: "Shoe Construction for Dummies"
post #58 of 59
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I am working on my magnum opus: "Shoe Construction for Dummies"
I think I could reallocate some funds for such a book.  
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Sorry for trying to break your budget.
Not at all. But I try not to spend money I have yet to earn and/or receive. So no calls to Green this time 'round. Also, I find there is joy in the anticipation of an order. Or is it anguish as I can't decide which model and which colour I'd like: I have great difficulty in making up my mind. MtB
post #59 of 59
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(T4phage @ 28 June 2004, 02:43) As for the master class in shoe construction, maybe Tony Gaziano could hold on, or maybe Bengal-Stripe could have a remedial class
I am working on my magnum opus: "Shoe Construction for Dummies"
Will it be available on Amazon ?
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