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Poll Results: Which collar roll is closest to the ideal?

Poll expired: Apr 17, 2013  
  • 43% (70)
    #1
  • 6% (10)
    #2
  • 5% (8)
    #3
  • 30% (49)
    #4
  • 14% (23)
    #5
160 Total Votes  
post #61 of 197

Yeah, I think I understand where you're trying to get to now.

 

To me shape does matter, but at the same time I would prefer that the shape is on an unlined collar, just so it behaves in a more erratic, organic way. Then maybe the roll would look different depending on how I tie the knot, etc. but yeah, I guess it all starts from a more or less defined roll shape.

 

It's still #4 for me.

post #62 of 197
Out of interest.

How does the Mercer, BB and others compare with regards to collar point size / button placement?
post #63 of 197
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by RDiaz View Post

Yeah, I think I understand where you're trying to get to now.

To me shape does matter, but at the same time I would prefer that the shape is on an unlined collar, just so it behaves in a more erratic, organic way. Then maybe the roll would look different depending on how I tie the knot, etc. but yeah, I guess it all starts from a more or less defined roll shape.

It's still #4 for me.

Yes, don't assume anything about the floppiness or softness of the collar. Each of the illustrated rolls can occur with an unlined collar.
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Originally Posted by dusttruffle View Post

Out of interest.

How does the Mercer, BB snd other compare with regards to collar point size / button placement?

To each other? My BB OCBDs are not standard production, so I can't meaningfully compare them with my Mercer.
post #64 of 197
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Originally Posted by CaymanS View Post

This threak delivered before it was even an apple in Foo's eye. I'm predicting 100 pages (minimum). *votes*.

He's still just practicing for the OneSuit thread - it will be epic.
post #65 of 197
I watched an old episode of Law & Order the other night and every man was in a suit and tie with a button down collar. While each character wore their differently, I was equally appalled at them all and couldn't even enjoy the episode. Button down collars should be outlawed the same way shirt pockets and Velcro closure sneakers should be.
post #66 of 197
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bertie View Post

He's still just practicing for the OneSuit thread - it will be epic.

Come on.

Evidently, a lot of people came into this collar roll thread for the express purpose of asserting that they don't care enough about collar rolls to discern between them. Bizarre.

The question is simple: how do you like your buttondown collars to look?

I didn't ask how you like them to feel or be constructed. That doesn't mean those things don't matter, but they aren't what I was aiming to discuss.

If you have no preference for how your collars roll--fine, then just excuse this thread as silly and back away. If you do, just say which of the illustrated examples come closest! Not hard, people. There is no secret agenda.
post #67 of 197
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

I watched an old episode of Law & Order the other night and every man was in a suit and tie with a button down collar. While each character wore their differently, I was equally appalled at them all and couldn't even enjoy the episode. Button down collars should be outlawed the same way shirt pockets and Velcro closure sneakers should be.

Jeezus. Case in point.
post #68 of 197
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

If you like having some historical context for how you dress and therefore no preference for how your collars roll--fine, then just excuse this thread as silly and back away.

FTFY
post #69 of 197
I'm now even more certain about 4.

4 is a bell:



Smaller at the top, wider at the bottom - more pleasing to the eye, with a bit more drama and rakishness.

1 is a pear. Visually far less interesting.



I commit the ultimate crime of buying OTR Extra-Slim BB OCBDs (it's the only non-bespoke shirt I buy), and, to make matters worse, I don't button the buttons. I just like them. *gasp*

But, if I had a tailor with a trained hand who could concoct from scratch the perfect roll for my bespoke shirts, I would show him a picture of 4 as the model.

As for Mercer making some sort of flawless perfect true-to-history BD collar, I'd like to see them in the wild. Vox posted his shipment of 83 of them with all manner of bows and thank-you cards attached, but I think we have yet to see one in the wild.

Knowing Vox's propensity to indirectly get involved in SF discussions by posting pics that are pseudo on-point, I expect a Mercer shirt with Cambridge springtime in the background in anywhere from one to three weeks. *waits*
post #70 of 197
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bertie View Post

FTFY

This "historical context" preaching is really nearing on FNB-levels of obtuseness.

You are wrongly assuming that a feature (such as a buttondown collar) strongly associated with a particular historical context cannot be appreciated outside that context for its own intrinsic good. Now, let's see how FNB you really are. If I am correct, you'll just come back with another paragraph explaining, again, the general importance of context.

Please prove me wrong about your FNB-ness and don't be so obtuse. Of course, we are all informed by different contexts. Hence, we naturally reach unique conclusions. Stop being so patronizing on the matter, by assuming people don't understand this. Instead, however you got there, simply state and discuss the type of collar roll you like. If the context you are coming from leads you to not have a preference, this thread isn't for you. Simple. No need to keep re-hashing.
post #71 of 197
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CaymanS View Post

I'm now even more certain about 4. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

4 is a bell:



Smaller at the top, wider at the bottom - more pleasing to the eye, with a bit more drama and rakishness.

1 is a pear. Visually far less interesting.



I commit the ultimate crime of buying OTR Extra-Slim BB OCBDs (it's the only non-bespoke shirt I buy), and, to make matters worse, I don't button the buttons. I just like them. *gasp*

But, if I had a tailor with a trained hand who could concoct from scratch the perfect roll for my bespoke shirts, I would show him a picture of 4 as the model.

As for Mercer making some sort of flawless perfect true-to-history BD collar, I'd like to see them in the wild. Vox posted his shipment of 83 of them with all manner of bows and thank-you cards attached, but I think we have yet to see one in the wild.

Knowing Vox's propensity to indirectly get involved in SF discussions by posting pics that are pseudo on-point, I expect a Mercer shirt with Cambridge springtime in the background in anywhere from one to three weeks. *waits*

Yay, more actual thoughts! Come on people, let's jump on this bandwagon.
post #72 of 197
I believe you can find actyal pics of people wearing Mercer shirts at AAAC.
post #73 of 197
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

This "historical context" preaching is really nearing on FNB-levels of obtuseness.

.

Not trying to be obtuse - just disagreeing with your starting premise. Will excuse myself on that basis.
post #74 of 197
Foo, you're insane, and that's what makes this forum cool.
post #75 of 197
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Do you honestly think it is difficult to make an erratically floppy, shape-agnostic collar? I could make you one myself. All by hand, made in USA.

I would probably buy one of these for pure novelty purposes. foo.gif, shall I send you some of my SG "new" chambray?
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