Right. My mom had had me decked out in Baby Gap when I was a little tot.
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John Elliott - official affiliate thread - Page 1473post #22082 of 258159/22/16 at 12:07pmpost #22083 of 258159/22/16 at 12:19pmpost #22084 of 258159/22/16 at 12:21pmpost #22085 of 258159/22/16 at 12:32pmQuote:
My weekends, weeknights only consist of JE and RRL....can't wait till the temperature drops in the 50s to break out my villains and sweats!post #22086 of 258159/22/16 at 12:37pmpost #22087 of 258159/22/16 at 12:57pmpost #22088 of 258159/22/16 at 1:11pmpost #22089 of 258159/22/16 at 1:29pmpost #22090 of 258159/22/16 at 1:32pmQuote:
Great call out! Seems like a tale of 2 JEs:
1) The first being a passionate designer leading a brand doing basics with top notch quality made in the USA. And, quite quick to point out the differences between his brand and those cheap mall brands.
2) The second being cheap knock offs of the premium brand items being sold in those same florescent lit cheese aroma stores that were chastised a while back. And making more and more products in China to boot.
I'd be curious what type of passionate rant we'd get this time, seeing as everything that was ripped apart in the first one is now exactly what is happening.post #22091 of 258159/22/16 at 1:34pmpost #22092 of 258159/22/16 at 1:37pmpost #22093 of 258159/22/16 at 1:59pmQuote:Originally Posted by Bimmer93
I guarantee over time people will stop buying if the brand shifts to a mainstream outlet store brand.
And, I don't claim to know how to grow his business at all. I'm just pointing out a view that I know many people share. He's doing fine at growing his business - collaborations with crap retailers, making products in China (when claiming to be a good ole made in the USA brand, and no I don't care where it's made if quality is on point, but some do), etc.
Not particularly to you, but with regards to "growing his business". Do we not remember what happened after season 7? JE could use more "fans/stans". Just because numerous products sell out on the JE website doesn't mean the brand is growing (or selling out elsewhere). Last year JE started distributing it's products to numerous retailers that they hadn't before (Saks, Barneys, etc.). At the end of season 7 a ton of the merchandise was deeply discounted. Swarm jackets were discounted to $400 from 1k, riders were selling at kith for $800 which was 1/2 off. Denim was selling for >20% off. JE even implemented a coupon code to get ride of some of the product, which they never do unless it's black Friday. Do we not remember this?
From a business perspective, clothing should never go on sale. If it's going on sale that means that you're either making too much, your price point is off, or you have too many retailers. I think it's obvious that JE could use more customers after last year. Yes it may make some of the limited drops and collections (dust, 7.5, etc) harder to obtain, but if things are sitting on the shelves at other retailers than it is going to become a discount brand unless more customers surface.
TLDR: JE needs to either make less product, decrease the amount of vendors it sells to, OR get more customers so items don't sit on the shelves and get discounted HEAVILY like season 7. More publicity = more customers. Just because JE was in GQ and gap 5 years ago, doesn't mean that there aren't new kids that haven't heard of the brand and could become future customers.post #22094 of 258159/22/16 at 2:04pm
Did you guys forget that this is the SECOND Gap collab JE has done? Yes, that's right, JE has made a collection with the GAP in the past and you are all still right here with him, buying his clothes, taking part in a forum dedicated to his brand. If you are really that concerned that this upcoming collab is going to taint the JE name and ruin the brand, you've already been proven wrong once.
How many designers have done collabs with Uniqlo, H&M, PacSun, etc. that are all doing just fine? Quit being so high and mighty in the "I'm so above mall brands" mentality. If you don't like the collection then don't buy it. Simple. Nothing about the regular JE items is going to change. The point of this collab is to get more customers both in the GAP and onto JE, which I'm 100% sure it will be successful at.
I, for one, am going to be checking out the rider (in the interest of really comparing the cut and quality since I already own a JE rider), and the tees and hoodie John is wearing in the latest collab photoshoot.post #22095 of 258159/22/16 at 2:14pmQuote:
1) I am above the flourescent lit cheese aroma mall brands that John alluded to, one being the GAP. I will not buy clothes from the GAP. I like my John Elliott clothes, but I don't like them that much to buy a cheaper made, worse fitting, lower quality knockoff version of my John Elliott clothes. In fact, I would rather he didn't make them at all but I understand it's a business and he's prob repaying a favour or just trying to grow his business. Nsub made a decent post and I agree with some of the points in there, so that's probably relevant.
2) I made a point to state in my posts that I do not hate on anyone buying this stuff. I understand not everyone can afford the regular, well made and well fitting stuff. Buy as much of it as you want. Just saying, I won't be buying any.
We're all entitled to our opinions here. Even if some of them are stupid :) playin ahaa
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