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In all fairness, the new denim is selvedge with a stretch. Selvedge denim has a tighter weave therefore making the garment more durable and then it has the stretch to it. I think $325 is reasonable considering its such a specialty fabric. That and who else is making selvedge with a stretch? Most other denim with a stretch isn't even selvedge like slp, rg, r&b, ro, etc.

 

For me though, I prefer a lot of give in my denim. So I'm curious as to how much this new denim will actually stretch since selvedge is so tough to begin with.

 

@JohnElliottCo, can you speak to what the denim is like when its more broken in in regards to stretch vs. the stiffness of selvedge? I think it would be a while to get a true feel for these as opposed to right away.

post #12032 of 25810
Selvedge and stress are not at all mutually exclusive. SLP, Rick Owens, Naked and Famous all have some selvedge w stretch
post #12033 of 25810
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Selvedge and stress are not at all mutually exclusive. SLP, Rick Owens, Naked and Famous all have some selvedge w stretch

I stand corrected. Especially with n&f. I forgot about them. I'm not aware that slp, or ro had selvedge w/stretch. I thought I was up to date with most denim lines. Could you send me info on the slp & ro selvedge denim? Thanks!

post #12034 of 25810
Raw is not the same as selvedge though right?

Raw means that it is unprocessed/unfixed and will fade and also stretch a lot before shrinking a lot after the first wash

Which is why I don't understand how it will work with the elastane
post #12035 of 25810
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Raw is not the same as selvedge though right?

Raw means that it is unprocessed/unfixed and will fade and also stretch a lot

Which is why I don't understand how it will work with the elastane


You can have raw and selvedge.

 

Selvedge is how the material is processed into a fabric. A shuttle loom is used to process and make selvedge denim. So you can have raw, washed, etc. that is selvedge.

post #12036 of 25810
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I stand corrected. Especially with n&f. I forgot about them. I'm not aware that slp, or ro had selvedge w/stretch. I thought I was up to date with most denim lines. Could you send me info on the slp & ro selvedge denim? Thanks!

Of course, messaged links!
post #12037 of 25810
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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Raw is not the same as selvedge though right?


Raw means that it is unprocessed/unfixed and will fade and also stretch a lot


Which is why I don't understand how it will work with the elastane


You can have raw and selvedge.

Selvedge is how the material is processed into a fabric. A shuttle loom is used to process and make selvedge denim. So you can have raw, washed, etc. that is selvedge.

Yeah but this is called "raw" meaning it will fade and shrink right?

Just wanting to know how that will be possible with elastane
post #12038 of 25810
Raw actually just means that the denim fabric has not been washed. The second any denim goes through a wash it's not raw. Fade on raw denim will be due to the indigo, stiffness, wear, and wash(es). Superfuture Denim can provide an intensive level of insight. Shrink has a variety of factors. Raw tends to shrink the most, as does any fabric washed for the first time. Sanforization ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanforization ) also makes a pretty massive difference. Again lots of info on sources like Superfuture Denim, or a good denim store like Selfedge or Blue in Green can provide some serious insight.
post #12039 of 25810
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Yeah but this is called "raw" meaning it will fade and shrink right?

Just wanting to know how that will be possible with elastane

Raw will definitely fade. Now how much it shrinks depends on wether its sanforized or unsanforized. Sanforized is pre-shrunk and will shrink around 2-4%. Sanforized is not re-shrunk and will shrink around 9-11%. So with unsanforized, you should always soak your denim first. That way they shrink and you can then have them hemmed or adjusted or not. My bet, but i'm not sure at all, is that the new JE denim is raw sanforized.

post #12040 of 25810

The old raw jeans were like 225$ right?

Their new pricing is up there with designer denim and actual denim brands

post #12041 of 25810
Right so we don't need to account for shrinkage post wash when judging measurements for size

Can you confirm johnelliott
post #12042 of 25810
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Right so we don't need to account for shrinkage post wash when judging measurements for size

Can you confirm johnelliott

There should not be much shrinkage, they are sanforized with 2% stretch.
post #12043 of 25810
Was really looking forward to the coast having stretch.

Guess you can't have everything you wish for 😝

Love the denim post in here. You guys have a lot to learn smile.gif
post #12044 of 25810
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Was really looking forward to the coast having stretch.

Guess you can't have everything you wish for 😝

Love the denim post in here. You guys have a lot to learn smile.gif

I was too. Luckily I was able to grab a pair slp washed from last year. I won't wear anything without stretch anymore.
post #12045 of 25810
does anyone want a ivory merino dropped shoulder crew in size small before i return?
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