So the plaster engineered pants came in. And yes the waist is 38 inches for a size large. It's a weird design (not sure what the goal was here) because the rest of the pant fit as a 32-34 pant should fit but with a 38 waist. Sizing down to a M I believe would fit too tightly in other areas. For instance the crotch is not dropped that much so a medium would probably be too tight there. To wear these pants the drawstring laces must be tied and at a pretty substantial tightness because the waistband is just so wide. This is a little bit of a negative for me bc if you want a more "formal" look you must hide the drawstrings by tucking them into the waistband. FYI I am 6 ft 180-185 pounds slim athletic build.
The pants are also made in China which I was disappointed with. Assuming JE will say it's because it's a technical fabric. Though I do already notice the quality is not on par with their garments made in USA. I can see several loose threads already on a number of different areas prominently near the buttons and on inside seam, but nothing game changing. Still it's an ominous sign for a brand new garment.
The Crop tee is just sick. I got the plaster one and I'm going to layer some cool back side graphic/design tees underneath it. Fishtail crew in olive is amazing too btw.
damn lol no wonder pricing is so much cheaper than I expected. Glad I passed on these.