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post #16 of 55
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post

Actually, in this case a tie might not be needed, numbers 8 and 11 almost certainly shouldn't be purchased, and in Chicago number 10 is a virtual requirement. Anyway, a list in and of itself hardly helps. Also, shoes and belt sometimes should match and sometimes should not, and reversible belts almost never make sense.

I think he made a valuable point about reversable belts.

No he did not. There are some acceptable reversible belts available and could well serve a man starting his wardrobe on a small budget.
Anyway, neither you or myself brought that one up. The so-called consultant did.

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As for you, Man of Link...Nantucket Red pants?  Really?  smack.gif

Yes really. Do you even know what Nantucket Red is? Son you haven't lived until you've owned a pair. Garbageski, next time consultant boy craps on your posts, I'll leave you to defend yourself. fight[1].gif
post #17 of 55
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Yes really. Do you even know what Nantucket Red is? Son you haven't lived until you've owned a pair.

 

Well perhaps I havent' lived yet, and your post had me second guessing so google helped me out with the following perspective on Nantucket Red:

 

Hitler: Let's have the Waffen SS wear Nantucket red pants for their uniform! That would look snappy!

Mr Hugo Boss: Mein Fuhrer, while that clearly conveys an asshole vibe, it is hardly intimidating. I recommend sticking with grey, black or olive.

Hitler: Ja, you're right. Can I still use it for the draperies in my bunker?

 

Don't get me wrong, I thought your 10 commandments were good, and your basic wardrobe list was just under "ok", but I'm going to reserve "nantucket red pants" for the "things to buy in the days before committing suicide" list.

post #18 of 55
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post

He only wrote about "weekends." One can't assume he wants a new office wardrobe (although there probably should be dual-use items). Many people work in casual environments. Of course he should speak for himself. And this isn't the place for generic lists, especially those geared toward older men. Vests and pocket squares on young men tend to look flashy. It's the usual thing - if a user provides enough information about himself, he'll get a helpful answer (as just happened in another thread). People on Style Forum generally don't help well, even when they want to.

Most people on here don't provide useful information in their requests as you should know.
I'll agree that it would be best to do so, but in the interim, we deal with generic questions somewhat generically by default.
This is why most of the old timers on here gave up responding. That said, I'll stand by my list and to re-iterate, it isn't the ultimate rulebook.
It is a guideline and anyone can alter it to their hearts content to serve their own specific needs.
Still waiting on your list....
post #19 of 55
Keep waiting - even the website's articles usually forgo lists, because they're not worth writing. (He already knows he needs dress shirts, tailored jackets or suits, and probably a few other basics.) The other problem with giving lists in response to queries for personal help is the person asking might think to himself, They don't know what they're talking about/this isn't the website for me. Suit Supply likely was the most helpful answer given, though it assumes the man is thin, which he might not be. Hence, Brooks Brothers and Nordstrom are other options.
post #20 of 55
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post

Keep waiting - even the website's articles usually forgo lists, because they're not worth writing. (He already knows he needs dress shirts, tailored jackets or suits, and probably a few other basics.) The other problem with giving lists in response to queries for personal help is the person asking might think to himself, They don't know what they're talking about/this isn't the website for me. Suit Supply likely was the most helpful answer given, though it assumes the man is thin, which he might not be. Hence, Brooks Brothers and Nordstrom are other options.

That is very slippery of you but I'm calling you out. You haven't produced any list because you are unable to do so.
Still, we wait.
He needed a starting point. Give him one. (Click to show)
post #21 of 55

I am sure this question is posted all the time.  I'm sure it's tiresome and that's why the "old timers" have probably stopped looking at these threads.


But as a newcomer, both to this site and to building a stylish wardrobe, there is no doubt that

 

"Where do I start?"

 

is an incredibly important question and it sits at the front of a "newb"s (for lack of a better term) mind for quite some time.

 

Whats the first thing I should buy?  Where should I buy it?  How do I know if it fits right?

 

This is really the reason that thrift shopping is such a great exercise for the new person.  You get to investigate different pieces, materials, and fits, with very little financial risk.

post #22 of 55
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I'm at.

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hit up bars

start by not uttering these phrases anymore. the clothes will come
post #23 of 55
"Slippery"? No. Unable to produce a list (that would help)? Yes, because he is almost a complete unknown.

Thrifting might be a way to learn, might be. But most men dislike shopping and want good results fast.
post #24 of 55
To the OP:

I don't know what your required work wardrobe is, but I would guess it is at least business casual. Basic dress shirts in blue are your friend here, with the occasional white shirt and pink / lavender if you are so inclined. The best trouser colors in general are medium grey and tan IMO (possibly cream for summer). Wool is dressier and you will probably not go wrong with wool trousers, but in a more casual office you can probably get away with chinos. One pair of black and one pair of brown / burgundy shoes are a good start. The black shoes should be a more formal style while the brown shoes can be loafers or derbies. For social occasions if you want to be more casual, I'd also pick up a few nice polos (Polo Ralph Lauren, custom fit if you are slim, Brooks Brothers is good for this too) and sweaters. If you wear jeans, a few nice pairs of jeans (the Streetwear and Denim forum will help you here) to go with your casual outfits. This will take time. No matter what your job is, I recommend getting at least one suit (solid grey or solid navy) for interviews, weddings and formal occasions when you might need it. Once you get a bit more established, you may hit up a charity event or two on weekends and some of these are business formal. You should also own at least one odd jacket, with a navy blazer or other navy odd jacket the most versatile choice for a first jacket. Make sure they fit you well and you will look good.

The bar scene really varies by location. If you are going out in River North, you definitely won't be overdressed in a sport coat on the weekend. Same applies to parts of the Gold Coast and the Viagra Triangle. If you're going out in Lincoln Park, Division Street, Old Town or thereabouts, it tends to be a bit more casual and also tends to have a younger crowd.

Lastly, if you're worried about getting onto places, there are three things you can do that have nothing to do with clothes (at least directly).

1. Go to bars earlier at the point where they have a solid crowd but no line yet.
2. Befriend attractive women and go out with them.
3. Get to know the owners / managers at places you like.

Of anywhere I've lived, I think 3 may be most important in Chicago. Welcome to SF and Chicago and have fun. You'll get better information if you post more specifics.
post #25 of 55

also,

when you're by suit supply if you make it down there, check out a store called haberdash and sir&madame.

 

they sell "higher end" (compared to say jcrew) clothing, but it'll give you ideas for nicer "street wear" that you can wear out to bars.

 

also, since you're out of college, no more clothes with logos on them, regardless of what look you end up going for.

post #26 of 55
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant View Post

"Slippery"? No. Unable to produce a list (that would help)? Yes, because he is almost a complete unknown.

We always prefer photos, budget, specific information of lifestyle, location and application whenever anyone requests assistance.
The OP is an almost complete unknown, that is true, but he did give enough general information, albeit barely, to warrant suggestive responses. If he chooses to expound on his needs, the responses will become more specific.

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Thrifting might be a way to learn, might be.

Not might be. It is in fact, one of many good ways to learn and the mistakes cost less to learn from.

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But most men dislike shopping and want good results fast.

Most men don't come here but more are coming each day. They do want to learn basics while others wish to learn advanced skills. Others yet come to learn the history of mens clothing while many come just for entertainment.
Within the context of the OP, 'Good results fast' is what we gave and you did not.
We are using the Socratic method of questioning and answering, questioning and answering.
Until the OP provides a more detailed request, I have gone as far as I will, and at this point I will rest my case.
post #27 of 55
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Originally Posted by red81 View Post

also, since you're out of college, no more clothes with logos on them, regardless of what look you end up going for.

I generally agree but I think Ralph Lauren polos are perfectly fine.
post #28 of 55
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Originally Posted by Garasaki View Post

I am sure this question is posted all the time.  I'm sure it's tiresome and that's why the "old timers" have probably stopped looking at these threads.


But as a newcomer, both to this site and to building a stylish wardrobe, there is no doubt that

 

"Where do I start?"

 

is an incredibly important question and it sits at the front of a "newb"s (for lack of a better term) mind for quite some time.

 

Whats the first thing I should buy?  Where should I buy it?  How do I know if it fits right?

 

This is really the reason that thrift shopping is such a great exercise for the new person.  You get to investigate different pieces, materials, and fits, with very little financial risk.


I think it really has to do with the "old timers" feeling a little self important...what they don't understand is if one is new to this then one doesn't even know how or what to be specific about!!!...we come here for guidance....to be told, "you aren't specific enough" creates, I'm sure, a feeling of self importance but is not very cool nor helpful.

post #29 of 55
Advice:

0) Don't spend too much money. Don't spend too much money. Don't. It's not worth it when you're starting out. Spend it on alcohol and women and vacations.

1) Look for decent quality without going too expensive. J.Crew has a lot of good stuff in the casual domain that should be appropriate for where you're at in the journey.

2) For work, go to Brooks Brothers *sales,* and if that's still too expensive, go to Jos A Bank buy 1 get 11 free promotions.

3) Buy staples, and dont think that fancier or more colorful or french cuffs or broguing or weird colors etc are better. You'll save money and be way happier if you buy very useful and versatile stuff.

If you do these things, you'll be OK to start, and you can figure more things out as you go.
post #30 of 55
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Originally Posted by sanchito View Post


I think it really has to do with the "old timers" feeling a little self important...what they don't understand is if one is new to this then one doesn't even know how or what to be specific about!!!...we come here for guidance....to be told, "you aren't specific enough" creates, I'm sure, a feeling of self importance but is not very cool nor helpful.

It really has nothing to do with feeling self-important. The reality is, "where do I start?" is a very different question for someone who works in a casual workplace than it is for someone who wears a suit everyday. Different stores work better for people with different builds. You can post more generic information that can be helpful, as myself and others have, but people get better advice if they give more detail and take out some of the guesswork for someone trying to think about what advice to offer. I get that some newcomers do not know what they should be specific about, which is why a lot of posts asking for more detail mention specific questions. Sometimes it's helpful to take a step back and really think about what you want or are trying to do.
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