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post #1441 of 1881
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Originally Posted by marburymadison View Post

 

That 'product as art form' actually characterizes what many of us feel when purchasing and bespeaking products. There's smth alluring about being able to choose specific designs and know that it's dissimilar from other pieces that were produced.

 

I did write many pages back that when one buys a bag, (I used SAB as an example), one buys not only  the product, but also its pedigree, and into its heritage and tradition. One 'attempts' to buy into a lifestyle.

 

I agree there is something alluring about having original products made to my taste. 

 

my life wrestling question has always been where have i gotten my "taste" from and why?

 

One thing, in a tight crowded space in my head, that i know is that with "buying into the heritage" i meant more to say you buy into the individual artist's "heritage" as opposed to a company's heritage and "who" bought their product.  Less buying into a lifestyle and more supporting an art-form, an artist and the cherry on top is that i get a product i can use that has been closely connected to another individual human being.

post #1442 of 1881
Been reading the forum for a awhile and it has been very instructive.

A couple of questions
1. Are Henry Tomkins cases made from Bridle Leather? Does it matter?

2. Is there a big difference between the American and English bridle leather from JP Marcellino?

Thanks
post #1443 of 1881
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Originally Posted by JP Marcellino View Post

 

I agree there is something alluring about having original products made to my taste. 

 

my life wrestling question has always been where have i gotten my "taste" from and why?

 

One thing, in a tight crowded space in my head, that i know is that with "buying into the heritage" i meant more to say you buy into the individual artist's "heritage" as opposed to a company's heritage and "who" bought their product.  Less buying into a lifestyle and more supporting an art-form, an artist and the cherry on top is that i get a product i can use that has been closely connected to another individual human being.


One can buy into the artisan's work just as much as one can buy into a company's heritage and who bought their products. The romantic thing would be to buy a product because it was handmade by another human being, but I don't see a real fault for buying a product because one wants to buy into the illustrious history of a company that has existed for a century and been purveying to well-respected individuals. It's almost as if one is 'buying' a piece of history if you will.

post #1444 of 1881
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Originally Posted by marburymadison View Post


One can buy into the artisan's work just as much as one can buy into a company's heritage and who bought their products. The romantic thing would be to buy a product because it was handmade by another human being, but I don't see a real fault for buying a product because one wants to buy into the illustrious history of a company that has existed for a century and been purveying to well-respected individuals. It's almost as if one is 'buying' a piece of history if you will.


Agreed, i don't see a fault either. There are many companies of all sorts that connect the artist, brand and customer and do it OK.  I think when purchasing anything, especially fashion art, it comes down to preference.  There are things large companies can do to a product that small businesses can not, like keep the prices low through mass production. Is there value in mass production?  Some things there are and some things there aren't.   I guess it also comes down to how you view fashion items as pure commodities or original art. 

 

I am not sure if a company can handle the production of original art, if anything it destroys or at least devalues it. now on the other hand, I think a small business can produce good valuable works of art because the human connections are closer within and with the customer.  I think the intrinsic meaning of "art" is the bond that is formed by the "originator" which also is the producer and the "appreciator."  The further that bond, the less value of the work.

 

I think as consumers and customers of any goods, especially fine artwork, we need to be aware of that "bond" and mechanisms of the illusions of a bond through marketing and advertising,  We also need to be aware of "buying into" anything, again especially artwork, because the ones buying into that art are usually buying a replication, a token of what something once represented.

 

now all this jiberish goes out the door if you just view your tie, your pants, your jacket as a means to an end - a better job, a better club, a fine looking women, etc...

 

 

On a side note, someone asked about the differences of bridle leather.  Fundamentally all bridle leather is the same when made with vegetable tanned American steer and that is where all the bridle leather I work with comes from.  i can't speak to other types.  Now, there are small to medium differences from each tanning house because everyone has their own secret blend of bridle.  What i call American bridle is thinner, softer, great feel, maintains color better and has a very smooth lining.  Hermann Oak's English bridle, in my opinion is the closest to a traditional blend, is smooth on top, firmer with tight fibers, dryer, thicker, deep colors, patinas and takes years to break in like a saddle.  With Wicket and Craig's English bridle it has a waxier top coat, excellent soft feel and a very mellow and pleasing color tone that almost transforms in the daylight.  

 

This only characterizes the bridle leather i work with, so should not be indicative of all bridle leather.

post #1445 of 1881
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Originally Posted by Hill View Post

I don't know much about briefcases and was hoping you guys could give me your opinion on one. I work in a mostly business casual environment. I don't wear suits often but would like something that wouldn't look out of place when I do. I think this one from Context would patina nicely but am hoping to get some feedback on perceived price/quality, versatility, etc.

http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=3740

I know there are some rather esoteric conversations going on, which is great and what this thread is all about. However I just wanted to give a gentle bump here in hopes that someone would like to help out a beginner.
post #1446 of 1881
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Originally Posted by Hill View Post

I know there are some rather esoteric conversations going on, which is great and what this thread is all about. However I just wanted to give a gentle bump here in hopes that someone would like to help out a beginner.

It's not something I prefer for myself, but it is perfectly fine for a business casual environment though it'd look way nicer after it's acquired a rich patina. There are two schools of thought on this: 1) You use it normally, and let a natural patina develop over time, in which case, it only looks good many years down the road. It is, however, more romantic. 2) You hasten the process.

I imagine you should be able to find another bag (that looks better from the get-go) for similar prices.
post #1447 of 1881
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Originally Posted by Hill View Post

I know there are some rather esoteric conversations going on, which is great and what this thread is all about. However I just wanted to give a gentle bump here in hopes that someone would like to help out a beginner.

I actually like it a whole lot, but find it's a little pricy at $720. Can't you find anyone here to custom make you one at that price?

And like the guy above me said, it would look pretty awesome in a couple years.
post #1448 of 1881
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Originally Posted by bboysdontcryy View Post

It's not something I prefer for myself, but it is perfectly fine for a business casual environment though it'd look way nicer after it's acquired a rich patina. There are two schools of thought on this: 1) You use it normally, and let a natural patina develop over time, in which case, it only looks good many years down the road. It is, however, more romantic. 2) You hasten the process.

I imagine you should be able to find another bag (that looks better from the get-go) for similar prices.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by althanis View Post

I actually like it a whole lot, but find it's a little pricy at $720. Can't you find anyone here to custom make you one at that price?

And like the guy above me said, it would look pretty awesome in a couple years.

Thank you. I've looked but so far no luck.
post #1449 of 1881
FOREST GREEN - Delvaux

Perhaps I should have picked up those Green Savoys when I had the chance......
post #1450 of 1881
Here are photos taken today of the Flap Over J Style Briefcase. I placed an order with Pickett on 10 May 2013 and received the same on 22 May 2013 (sadly after the payment of the not inconsiderable taxes and brokerage fees).

There do not seem to be any reviews of this particular model so the purchase was a bit of a gamble on my part.

The colour of the briefcase is tan and (hopefully) evolving still as it ages. There were a couple of tiny scratches on it (I am a perfectionist) and over the course of a few days of very gentle usage it developed a dent or two and the like. I gave the briefcase a good cleaning over yesterday with a damp cloth and dried it before a fan whereupon which it decided to become just the slightest bit tanner or darker. I am in the midst of procuring some leather conditioner which would probably be from J & E Sedgwick.

On the whole I am satisfied with the briefcase. I am getting used to how it comes without the trappings of modern bags e.g. a dedicated compartment for storing one's mobile but then again save for my keys, wallet and mobile I intend to carry little else. It has an understated presence and holds its own well if placed on the table. I would like to think it has a timeless style i.e. it will not look go out of style any time soon - that in turn means I really should not be purchasing any more briefcases in the near future (unlikely though that may be).





Edited by Silk - 5/31/13 at 7:01pm
post #1451 of 1881
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Originally Posted by Silk View Post

Here are two photos of a briefcase I received on 22 May 2013.

The colour of the briefcase is tan and (hopefully) evolving still as it ages.




Nice. Can you please send me the maker details / online link.
post #1452 of 1881
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Originally Posted by JP Marcellino View Post

 

 

 

On a side note, someone asked about the differences of bridle leather.  Fundamentally all bridle leather is the same when made with vegetable tanned American steer and that is where all the bridle leather I work with comes from.  i can't speak to other types.  Now, there are small to medium differences from each tanning house because everyone has their own secret blend of bridle.  What i call American bridle is thinner, softer, great feel, maintains color better and has a very smooth lining.  Hermann Oak's English bridle, in my opinion is the closest to a traditional blend, is smooth on top, firmer with tight fibers, dryer, thicker, deep colors, patinas and takes years to break in like a saddle.  With Wicket and Craig's English bridle it has a waxier top coat, excellent soft feel and a very mellow and pleasing color tone that almost transforms in the daylight.  

 

This only characterizes the bridle leather i work with, so should not be indicative of all bridle leather.

Thank you for this complete response, JP.

post #1453 of 1881

Hello everyone, I am the photographer for Frieschskys (Frieschskys.com,Frieschskys eBay store). We recently acquired a Hermes Briefcase said to be circa 1985. I can spot a fake Dunhill bag with my eyes closed but I have no experience with Hermes. I was hoping that you my fellow leather geeks could assist me. So I'm wondering if ...1. Everything look legit? Do you think circa 1985 rings true? lastly whats a guess on the high and low end of what it might be worth. Thank you Doug

PS. As you will notice there are a few photos of a small tear that I used my macro lens to photo, hoping it might tell more about the leather being that it scratched the top layer away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #1454 of 1881
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Originally Posted by DougEfresh414 View Post

Hello everyone, I am the photographer for Frieschskys (Frieschskys.com,Frieschskys eBay store). We recently acquired a Hermes Briefcase said to be circa 1985. I can spot a fake Dunhill bag with my eyes closed but I have no experience with Hermes. I was hoping that you my fellow leather geeks could assist me. So I'm wondering if ...1. Everything look legit? Do you think circa 1985 rings true? lastly whats a guess on the high and low end of what it might be worth. Thank you Doug
PS. As you will notice there are a few photos of a small tear that I used my macro lens to photo, hoping it might tell more about the leather being that it scratched the top layer away.

There is a similar case that has been available at Portero for a very long time at just under $2000. The date sounds right for that case.
post #1455 of 1881
The stitching does certainly appear to be hand-stitched, so that would point towards it being a legitimate Hermes piece.
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