I haven't been on SF much lately to see its opinion, but this combined with brightly colored socks seems to be everywhere in the city the past year or so. Its a really heavy handed attempt at insouciance that looks stupid.
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This. Suit pants hemmed above the ankles and button-popping jacket closures make me go cross-eyed. Not sure these are CM crimes, though, or whatever the opposite of a crime is. I see plenty of it here.
These two are matters of opinion/culture. Walk around Piccadilly and you'll see plenty of well-tailored men in bright red socks and loud multi-stripe shirts, whose dress would be considered perfectly 'classic' within their context. I myself am not a fan of fun socks (although I like and wear the shirts...), but if this thread is an attempt to establish relatively hard and fast rules, they shouldn't qualify.
American style has always been more subdued - doesn't mean that loudness is invariably wrong.
Agree on the unbuckled monk thing though. No.1 on the list in my opinion should be too-high buttoning points: looks terrible, and something most people are apparently unaware of.
I'm hardly a noob, but black shirts with suits can be done correctly. As long as you maintain line and contrast, which means a suit light enough for them to contrast, and worn open necked. There are other non-suit or jacket looks where really dark shirts work, too. I have a couple striped purple ones I break out on occasion- one really dark, one closer to a maroon.
If you put on a black (or other really dark) shirt and then reach for the tie rack, you are doomed.
But it's very much an advanced move, and if you have to ask...
Oh, and black suits have never been incorrect- the idea that there's a tradition that shuns them is pretty recently invented. See the mythbusting thread. Some people not liking them because they don't work with their skin tone does not make them a grave sartorial sin, it makes them a color like brown or olive that doesn't look good on everybody. I can't wear a tan jacket, but that doesn't make a khaki summer suit an evil that nobody else can wear.
I'm hoping for a centralized thread to which we can refer n00bz who commit some egregious offense against traditional menswear. This can be used as a reference whenever somebody says, "what's wrong with black shirts?!?" Here's what I've got so far:
- square-toed shoes
- matching tie and pocket square sets
- black suits
- black odd trousers
- black or any other dark shirts
- jackets that don't cover your rear end
- ties worn without jackets
This should be reserved for truly awful stuff, not venal and controversial offenses like navy odd trousers or gray odd jackets.
If I read the opening post correctly, its offense against traditional menswear. And now you don't think these offenses cannot make a list because its so engrained in #menswear, despite your agreeing that they are poor taste.
So are we promoting what's engrained in #menswear? Or we are promoting classic menswear? IMO there's significant difference between the two, i.e., flood pants vs no-break pants, short tight jackets vs. jackets that covers your ass, chest bouquet vs inconspicuous pocket squares, pointy gaudy painted shoes vs boston cracked shoes, etc.
I agree and I love the style/peacocking of Labelking or Neofinita. But then there's always the peacock threak...
it's such a fine line between stupid and clever - spinal tap.
there's some things that can't be "pulled off" by anyone.
i saw a guy this morning wearing what was clearly a woman's hat with a big flower on it, with a notre dame jersey tucked into his jeans and wearing sandals.
while he had no inhibitions, he looked like a clown.
now that i think about it, he was probably not "all there" so i shouldn't say anything bad.